Honda 600 Motor Oil

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Mark P Hatten
Posts: 263
Joined: Fri Sep 17, 2010 12:55 am

Honda 600 Motor Oil

Post by Mark P Hatten »

I'm itching to try some synthetic Mobil 1 , 15-40 wt. turbo truck oil in my Z coupe. The 20-50 seems so thick, and we have such a cool cliamte I don't think it ever warms up enough. Hoping for a little more zip !
www.mphspecialties.com
To: richmccolman@...; 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com From: mattferkey@...
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 19:29:40 -0800 Subject: RE: [2cylinderhondas] Re: Motor Oil
I've always been an amsoil guy...  They came out with a new oil called ZROD and it has the extra zink our cars love.
Sent from my Windows Phone From:
richmccolman
Sent:
1/30/2013 8:51 PM To:
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
Subject:
[2cylinderhondas] Re: Motor Oil
Yep, Castrol GTX 20-50. It has reasonably high levels of anti-wear ZDDP, though there are some who say that for engine break-in, even higher levels of ZDDP might be needed. I've gotten some ZDDPlus additive, myself.
Whatever you do, DO NOT use any oil that says "Resource Conserving" on the round API icon on the bottle. Those types of oils have quite low levels of ZDDP, and will definitely lead to premature engine wear, particularly on the valve lifters. (Those oils are okay only for newer cars that have roller lifters.)
Note that some Castrol oils are the "Resource Conserving" type, and should NOT be used in our older cars. Make sure to look at the round API symbol and make sure that the words "Resource Conserving" ARE NOT there when choosing your oil.
Richard
--- In
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
, Eric Geiger wrote:
> I believe I've re Castro GTX recommended.
> Eric J. Geiger
> ---------------------------------------
> PRG Nocturne
> XXX-XXX-XXXX phone
> XXX-XXX-XXXX fax
> XXX-XXX-XXXX mobile
> egeiger@...
www.prgnocturne.com
> On Jan 30, 2013, at 12:12 PM, "ROBERTO" > wrote:
> SAME OIL AS ANY 4 STROKE AIR COOLED ENGINE
> if you overbore, is from the oil contamination can occur faster,the engine works on bearings, i use castrol sae 40 or 30 on winter and
> 20w50 on sumer ( i live on the baja cal desert area )
> --- In
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
, "braulio_morales" wrote:
> > What Motor Oil do you guys recommend on a rebuilt engine?
> > thanks!!!
Lyle
Posts: 41
Joined: Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:15 pm

Re: Honda 600 Motor Oil

Post by Lyle »

ZDDP levels and air cooled flat tappet engines.
SHELL REPLY:
As I explained to you over the phone Phosphorus and Zinc content is not a criteria to be used in selecting the right oil for an engine. Rotella T 15W-40 meets API CJ-4, and supersedes CI-4 and previous specs. Maximum allowable Phosphorus content for API CJ-4 specified oils is 1200ppm. Phosphorus (S) and Zinc (Zn) comes from ZDDP additives used in the oil.
Although, S and Zn content of Rotella T 15W-40 was slightly lowered to meet CJ-4 specification, the performance of the oil has not been compromised compared to previous Rotella T with CI-4 spec. In fact, new Rotella T 15W-40 shows better wear resistance, deposit control and reduced emissions. This was achieved by the improvements in additive technologies and Shell's advanced oil formulation techniques.
However, if a customer is still insisting on a product with CI-4 spec then our Rimula Premium 15W-40 can be offered.
Technical Representative Lubes & Fuels
Shell Canada Products
CASTROL REPLY:
Unfortunately Castrol's oils formulations are proprietary information and are not released to the general public.
However, we can tell you that the ZDDP levels have been reduced.
We DO NOT recommend any of our GTX Dino oils for flat-tappet engines; we recommend Syntec for older cars.
Castrol Consumer Relations.
I called Castrol to confirm this.
They do not recommend any of their Dino oils (Including 20W50 and 15W40 Diesel) for our air-cooled engines (Or any engine with flat tappets)
--- In
anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
, Mark P Hatten wrote:
> I'm itching to try some synthetic Mobil 1 , 15-40 wt. turbo truck oil in my Z coupe. The 20-50 seems so thick, and we have such a cool cliamte I don't think it ever warms up enough. Hoping for a little more zip !
> www.mphspecialties.com
> To: richmccolman@...;
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> From: mattferkey@...
> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 19:29:40 -0800
> Subject: RE: [2cylinderhondas] Re: Motor Oil
> I've always been an amsoil guy... They came out with a new oil called ZROD and it has the extra zink our cars love.
> Sent from my Windows Phone
> From: richmccolman
> Sent: 1/30/2013 8:51 PM
> To:
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [2cylinderhondas] Re: Motor Oil
> Yep, Castrol GTX 20-50. It has reasonably high levels of anti-wear ZDDP, though there are some who say that for engine break-in, even higher levels of ZDDP might be needed. I've gotten some ZDDPlus additive, myself.
> Whatever you do, DO NOT use any oil that says "Resource Conserving" on the round API icon on the bottle. Those types of oils have quite low levels of ZDDP, and will definitely lead to premature engine wear, particularly on the valve lifters. (Those oils are okay only for newer cars that have roller lifters.)
> Note that some Castrol oils are the "Resource Conserving" type, and should NOT be used in our older cars. Make sure to look at the round API symbol and make sure that the words "Resource Conserving" ARE NOT there when choosing your oil.
> Richard
> --- In
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
, Eric Geiger wrote:
> > I believe I've re Castro GTX recommended.
> > Eric J. Geiger
> > ---------------------------------------
> > PRG Nocturne
> > XXX-XXX-XXXX phone
> > XXX-XXX-XXXX fax
> > XXX-XXX-XXXX mobile
> > egeiger@
> > www.prgnocturne.com
> > On Jan 30, 2013, at 12:12 PM, "ROBERTO" > wrote:
> > SAME OIL AS ANY 4 STROKE AIR COOLED ENGINE
> > if you overbore, is from the oil contamination can occur faster,the engine works on bearings, i use castrol sae 40 or 30 on winter and
> > 20w50 on sumer ( i live on the baja cal desert area )
> > --- In
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
, "braulio_morales" wrote:
> > > What Motor Oil do you guys recommend on a rebuilt engine?
> > > thanks!!!
Mark P Hatten
Posts: 263
Joined: Fri Sep 17, 2010 12:55 am

Re: Honda 600 Motor Oil

Post by Mark P Hatten »

I was worried to go too thin on oil. I went with Mobil 1 synthetic 15-50 weight. I don't notice any more power, but, my-my! does it shift better now. I think the old house brand standard 20-50 oil was cold and thick.
It is worth it just for the better shift feel.
The next oil change I may go down to 15-40 synthetic and try that.
Mark
www.mphspecialties.com
To: anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com From: lyletrudell@...
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 16:14:30 +0000 Subject: [anzhonda600owners] Re: Honda 600 Motor Oil
ZDDP levels and air cooled flat tappet engines.
SHELL REPLY:
As I explained to you over the phone Phosphorus and Zinc content is not a criteria to be used in selecting the right oil for an engine. Rotella T 15W-40 meets API CJ-4, and supersedes CI-4 and previous specs. Maximum allowable Phosphorus content for API CJ-4 specified oils is 1200ppm. Phosphorus (S) and Zinc (Zn) comes from ZDDP additives used in the oil.
Although, S and Zn content of Rotella T 15W-40 was slightly lowered to meet CJ-4 specification, the performance of the oil has not been compromised compared to previous Rotella T with CI-4 spec. In fact, new Rotella T 15W-40 shows better wear resistance, deposit control and reduced emissions. This was achieved by the improvements in additive technologies and Shell's advanced oil formulation techniques.
However, if a customer is still insisting on a product with CI-4 spec then our Rimula Premium 15W-40 can be offered.
Technical Representative Lubes & Fuels
Shell Canada Products
CASTROL REPLY:
Unfortunately Castrol's oils formulations are proprietary information and are not released to the general public.
However, we can tell you that the ZDDP levels have been reduced.
We DO NOT recommend any of our GTX Dino oils for flat-tappet engines; we recommend Syntec for older cars.
Castrol Consumer Relations.
I called Castrol to confirm this.
They do not recommend any of their Dino oils (Including 20W50 and 15W40 Diesel) for our air-cooled engines (Or any engine with flat tappets)
--- In
anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
, Mark P Hatten wrote:
> I'm itching to try some synthetic Mobil 1 , 15-40 wt. turbo truck oil in my Z coupe. The 20-50 seems so thick, and we have such a cool cliamte I don't think it ever warms up enough. Hoping for a little more zip !
> www.mphspecialties.com
> To: richmccolman@...;
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> From: mattferkey@...
> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 19:29:40 -0800
> Subject: RE: [2cylinderhondas] Re: Motor Oil
> I've always been an amsoil guy... They came out with a new oil called ZROD and it has the extra zink our cars love.
> Sent from my Windows Phone
> From: richmccolman
> Sent: 1/30/2013 8:51 PM
> To:
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [2cylinderhondas] Re: Motor Oil
> Yep, Castrol GTX 20-50. It has reasonably high levels of anti-wear ZDDP, though there are some who say that for engine break-in, even higher levels of ZDDP might be needed. I've gotten some ZDDPlus additive, myself.
> Whatever you do, DO NOT use any oil that says "Resource Conserving" on the round API icon on the bottle. Those types of oils have quite low levels of ZDDP, and will definitely lead to premature engine wear, particularly on the valve lifters. (Those oils are okay only for newer cars that have roller lifters.)
> Note that some Castrol oils are the "Resource Conserving" type, and should NOT be used in our older cars. Make sure to look at the round API symbol and make sure that the words "Resource Conserving" ARE NOT there when choosing your oil.
> Richard
> --- In
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
, Eric Geiger wrote:
> > I believe I've re Castro GTX recommended.
> > Eric J. Geiger
> > ---------------------------------------
> > PRG Nocturne
> > XXX-XXX-XXXX phone
> > XXX-XXX-XXXX fax
> > XXX-XXX-XXXX mobile
> > egeiger@
> > www.prgnocturne.com
> > On Jan 30, 2013, at 12:12 PM, "ROBERTO" > wrote:
> > SAME OIL AS ANY 4 STROKE AIR COOLED ENGINE
> > if you overbore, is from the oil contamination can occur faster,the engine works on bearings, i use castrol sae 40 or 30 on winter and
> > 20w50 on sumer ( i live on the baja cal desert area )
> > --- In
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
, "braulio_morales" wrote:
> > > What Motor Oil do you guys recommend on a rebuilt engine?
> > > thanks!!!
Eric Geiger
Posts: 182
Joined: Tue Apr 03, 2012 8:38 am

Re: Honda 600 Motor Oil

Post by Eric Geiger »

i can't even keep track of what I'm supposed to use anymore with all this chat.  whats the consensus now on whats best.
Eric J. Geiger
PRG Nocturne
XXX-XXX-XXXX  phone
XXX-XXX-XXXX  fax
XXX-XXX-XXXX  mobile
egeiger@...
www.prgnocturne.com
On Feb 10, 2013, at 11:08 AM, Mark P Hatten wrote:
> I was worried to go too thin on oil. I went with Mobil 1 synthetic 15-50 weight. I don't notice any more power, but, my-my! does it shift better now. I think the old house brand standard 20-50 oil was cold and thick.
> It is worth it just for the better shift feel.
> The next oil change I may go down to 15-40 synthetic and try that.
> Mark
> www.mphspecialties.com
> To:
> anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
> From:
> lyletrudell@...
> Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 16:14:30 +0000
> Subject: [anzhonda600owners] Re: Honda 600 Motor Oil
> ZDDP levels and air cooled flat tappet engines.
> SHELL REPLY:
> As I explained to you over the phone Phosphorus and Zinc content is not a criteria to be used in selecting the right oil for an engine. Rotella T 15W-40 meets API CJ-4, and supersedes CI-4 and previous specs. Maximum allowable Phosphorus content for API CJ-4 > specified oils is 1200ppm. Phosphorus (S) and Zinc (Zn) comes from ZDDP additives used in the oil.
> Although, S and Zn content of Rotella T 15W-40 was slightly lowered to meet CJ-4 specification, the performance of the oil has not been compromised compared to previous Rotella T with CI-4 spec. In fact, new Rotella T 15W-40 shows better wear resistance, deposit > control and reduced emissions. This was achieved by the improvements in additive technologies and Shell's advanced oil formulation techniques.
> However, if a customer is still insisting on a product with CI-4 spec then our Rimula Premium 15W-40 can be offered.
> Technical Representative Lubes & Fuels
> Shell Canada Products
> CASTROL REPLY:
> Unfortunately Castrol's oils formulations are proprietary information and are not released to the general public.
> However, we can tell you that the ZDDP levels have been reduced.
> We DO NOT recommend any of our GTX Dino oils for flat-tappet engines; we recommend Syntec for older cars.
> Castrol Consumer Relations.
> I called Castrol to confirm this.
> They do not recommend any of their Dino oils (Including 20W50 and 15W40 Diesel) for our air-cooled engines (Or any engine with flat tappets)
> --- In
> anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
> , Mark P Hatten wrote:
> > I'm itching to try some synthetic Mobil 1 , 15-40 wt. turbo truck oil in my Z coupe. The 20-50 seems so thick, and we have such a cool cliamte I don't think it ever warms up enough. Hoping for a little more zip !
> www.mphspecialties.com
> > To: richmccolman@...;
> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> > From: mattferkey@...
> > Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 19:29:40 -0800
> > Subject: RE: [2cylinderhondas] Re: Motor Oil
> > I've always been an amsoil guy... They came out with a new oil called ZROD and it has the extra zink our cars love.
> > Sent from my Windows Phone
> > From: richmccolman
> > Sent: 1/30/2013 8:51 PM
> > To:
> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [2cylinderhondas] Re: Motor Oil
> > Yep, Castrol GTX 20-50. It has reasonably high levels of anti-wear ZDDP, though there are some who say that for engine break-in, even higher levels of ZDDP might be needed. I've gotten some ZDDPlus additive, myself.
> > Whatever you do, DO NOT use any oil that says "Resource Conserving" on the round API icon on the bottle. Those types of oils have quite low levels of ZDDP, and will definitely lead to premature engine wear, particularly on the valve lifters. (Those oils are > okay only for newer cars that have roller lifters.)
> > Note that some Castrol oils are the "Resource Conserving" type, and should NOT be used in our older cars. Make sure to look at the round API symbol and make sure that the words "Resource Conserving" ARE NOT there when choosing your oil.
> > Richard
> > --- In
> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> , Eric Geiger wrote:
> > > I believe I've re Castro GTX recommended.
> > > Eric J. Geiger
> > > ---------------------------------------
> > > PRG Nocturne
> > > XXX-XXX-XXXX phone
> > > XXX-XXX-XXXX fax
> > > XXX-XXX-XXXX mobile
> > > egeiger@
> www.prgnocturne.com
> > > On Jan 30, 2013, at 12:12 PM, "ROBERTO" > wrote:
> > > SAME OIL AS ANY 4 STROKE AIR COOLED ENGINE
> > > if you overbore, is from the oil contamination can occur faster,the engine works on bearings, i use castrol sae 40 or 30 on winter and
> > > 20w50 on sumer ( i live on the baja cal desert area )
> > > --- In
> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> , "braulio_morales" wrote:
> > > > What Motor Oil do you guys recommend on a rebuilt engine?
> > > > thanks!!!
Lyle
Posts: 41
Joined: Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:15 pm

Re: Honda 600 Motor Oil

Post by Lyle »

Eric, I know it's tough to find an oil with ZDDP levels in the 1200 range. The companies keep changing formulas because of the EPA. Now it sounds like Shell Rotella diesel 15w-40 that I use is reducing levels! My next oil change I will start using motorcycle oil for v-twins 20w-50 for Florida wheather.
Rich mentioned Amsoil
http://www.amsoil.com/shop/by-product/m ... motor-oil/
The Z-rod looks great, but expensive.
?
Lyle
--- In
anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
, Eric Geiger wrote:
> i can't even keep track of what I'm supposed to use anymore with all this chat. whats the consensus now on whats best.
> Eric J. Geiger
> PRG Nocturne
> XXX-XXX-XXXX phone
> XXX-XXX-XXXX fax
> XXX-XXX-XXXX mobile
> egeiger@...
> www.prgnocturne.com
> On Feb 10, 2013, at 11:08 AM, Mark P Hatten wrote:
> I was worried to go too thin on oil. I went with Mobil 1 synthetic 15-50 weight. I don't notice any more power, but, my-my! does it shift better now. I think the old house brand standard 20-50 oil was cold and thick.
> It is worth it just for the better shift feel.
> The next oil change I may go down to 15-40 synthetic and try that.
> Mark
> www.mphspecialties.com
> To:
anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
> From: lyletrudell@...
> Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 16:14:30 +0000
> Subject: [anzhonda600owners] Re: Honda 600 Motor Oil
> ZDDP levels and air cooled flat tappet engines.
> SHELL REPLY:
> As I explained to you over the phone Phosphorus and Zinc content is not a criteria to be used in selecting the right oil for an engine. Rotella T 15W-40 meets API CJ-4, and supersedes CI-4 and previous specs. Maximum allowable Phosphorus content for API CJ-4 specified oils is 1200ppm. Phosphorus (S) and Zinc (Zn) comes from ZDDP additives used in the oil.
> Although, S and Zn content of Rotella T 15W-40 was slightly lowered to meet CJ-4 specification, the performance of the oil has not been compromised compared to previous Rotella T with CI-4 spec. In fact, new Rotella T 15W-40 shows better wear resistance, deposit control and reduced emissions. This was achieved by the improvements in additive technologies and Shell's advanced oil formulation techniques.
> However, if a customer is still insisting on a product with CI-4 spec then our Rimula Premium 15W-40 can be offered.
> Technical Representative Lubes & Fuels
> Shell Canada Products
> CASTROL REPLY:
> Unfortunately Castrol's oils formulations are proprietary information and are not released to the general public.
> However, we can tell you that the ZDDP levels have been reduced.
> We DO NOT recommend any of our GTX Dino oils for flat-tappet engines; we recommend Syntec for older cars.
> Castrol Consumer Relations.
> I called Castrol to confirm this.
> They do not recommend any of their Dino oils (Including 20W50 and 15W40 Diesel) for our air-cooled engines (Or any engine with flat tappets)
> --- In
anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
, Mark P Hatten wrote:
> > I'm itching to try some synthetic Mobil 1 , 15-40 wt. turbo truck oil in my Z coupe. The 20-50 seems so thick, and we have such a cool cliamte I don't think it ever warms up enough. Hoping for a little more zip !
> > www.mphspecialties.com
> > To: richmccolman@;
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> > From: mattferkey@
> > Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 19:29:40 -0800
> > Subject: RE: [2cylinderhondas] Re: Motor Oil
> > I've always been an amsoil guy... They came out with a new oil called ZROD and it has the extra zink our cars love.
> > Sent from my Windows Phone
> > From: richmccolman
> > Sent: 1/30/2013 8:51 PM
> > To:
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [2cylinderhondas] Re: Motor Oil
> > Yep, Castrol GTX 20-50. It has reasonably high levels of anti-wear ZDDP, though there are some who say that for engine break-in, even higher levels of ZDDP might be needed. I've gotten some ZDDPlus additive, myself.
> > Whatever you do, DO NOT use any oil that says "Resource Conserving" on the round API icon on the bottle. Those types of oils have quite low levels of ZDDP, and will definitely lead to premature engine wear, particularly on the valve lifters. (Those oils are okay only for newer cars that have roller lifters.)
> > Note that some Castrol oils are the "Resource Conserving" type, and should NOT be used in our older cars. Make sure to look at the round API symbol and make sure that the words "Resource Conserving" ARE NOT there when choosing your oil.
> > Richard
> > --- In
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
, Eric Geiger wrote:
> > > I believe I've re Castro GTX recommended.
> > > Eric J. Geiger
> > > ---------------------------------------
> > > PRG Nocturne
> > > XXX-XXX-XXXX phone
> > > XXX-XXX-XXXX fax
> > > XXX-XXX-XXXX mobile
> > > egeiger@
> > > www.prgnocturne.com
> > > On Jan 30, 2013, at 12:12 PM, "ROBERTO" > wrote:
> > > SAME OIL AS ANY 4 STROKE AIR COOLED ENGINE
> > > if you overbore, is from the oil contamination can occur faster,the engine works on bearings, i use castrol sae 40 or 30 on winter and
> > > 20w50 on sumer ( i live on the baja cal desert area )
> > > --- In
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
, "braulio_morales" wrote:
> > > > What Motor Oil do you guys recommend on a rebuilt engine?
> > > > thanks!!!
notrace07
Posts: 26
Joined: Sun Oct 16, 2011 9:02 am

Re: Honda 600 Motor Oil

Post by notrace07 »

I'm glad I'm not the only one that is confused.  I think the Mobil 1 15-50 synthetic????  I'm going with that I'm just about to see if my Hawaiian is going to live again after a 35 year rest.
 Kurt
On Feb 10, 2013, at 9:39 AM, Eric Geiger wrote:
i can't even keep track of what I'm supposed to use anymore with all this chat.  whats the consensus now on whats best.
Eric J. Geiger
PRG Nocturne
XXX-XXX-XXXX
phone
XXX-XXX-XXXX
fax
XXX-XXX-XXXX
mobile
egeiger@...
www.prgnocturne.com
On Feb 10, 2013, at 11:08 AM, Mark P Hatten wrote:
> I was worried to go too thin on oil. I went with Mobil 1 synthetic 15-50 weight. I don't notice any more power, but, my-my! does it shift better now. I think the old house brand standard 20-50 oil was cold and thick.
> It is worth it just for the better shift feel.
> The next oil change I may go down to 15-40 synthetic and try that.
> Mark
> www.mphspecialties.com
> To:
> anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
> From:
> lyletrudell@...
> Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 16:14:30 +0000
> Subject: [anzhonda600owners] Re: Honda 600 Motor Oil
> ZDDP levels and air cooled flat tappet engines.
> SHELL REPLY:
> As I explained to you over the phone Phosphorus and Zinc content is not a criteria to be used in selecting the right oil for an engine. Rotella T 15W-40 meets API CJ-4, and supersedes CI-4 and previous specs. Maximum allowable Phosphorus content for API CJ-4 > specified oils is 1200ppm. Phosphorus (S) and Zinc (Zn) comes from ZDDP additives used in the oil.
> Although, S and Zn content of Rotella T 15W-40 was slightly lowered to meet CJ-4 specification, the performance of the oil has not been compromised compared to previous Rotella T with CI-4 spec. In fact, new Rotella T 15W-40 shows better wear resistance, deposit > control and reduced emissions. This was achieved by the improvements in additive technologies and Shell's advanced oil formulation techniques.
> However, if a customer is still insisting on a product with CI-4 spec then our Rimula Premium 15W-40 can be offered.
> Technical Representative Lubes & Fuels
> Shell Canada Products
> CASTROL REPLY:
> Unfortunately Castrol's oils formulations are proprietary information and are not released to the general public.
> However, we can tell you that the ZDDP levels have been reduced.
> We DO NOT recommend any of our GTX Dino oils for flat-tappet engines; we recommend Syntec for older cars.
> Castrol Consumer Relations.
> I called Castrol to confirm this.
> They do not recommend any of their Dino oils (Including 20W50 and 15W40 Diesel) for our air-cooled engines (Or any engine with flat tappets)
> --- In
> anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
> , Mark P Hatten wrote:
> > I'm itching to try some synthetic Mobil 1 , 15-40 wt. turbo truck oil in my Z coupe. The 20-50 seems so thick, and we have such a cool cliamte I don't think it ever warms up enough. Hoping for a little more zip !
> www.mphspecialties.com
> > To: richmccolman@...;
> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> > From: mattferkey@...
> > Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 19:29:40 -0800
> > Subject: RE: [2cylinderhondas] Re: Motor Oil
> > I've always been an amsoil guy... They came out with a new oil called ZROD and it has the extra zink our cars love.
> > Sent from my Windows Phone
> > From: richmccolman
> > Sent: 1/30/2013 8:51 PM
> > To:
> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [2cylinderhondas] Re: Motor Oil
> > Yep, Castrol GTX 20-50. It has reasonably high levels of anti-wear ZDDP, though there are some who say that for engine break-in, even higher levels of ZDDP might be needed. I've gotten some ZDDPlus additive, myself.
> > Whatever you do, DO NOT use any oil that says "Resource Conserving" on the round API icon on the bottle. Those types of oils have quite low levels of ZDDP, and will definitely lead to premature engine wear, particularly on the valve lifters. (Those oils are > okay only for newer cars that have roller lifters.)
> > Note that some Castrol oils are the "Resource Conserving" type, and should NOT be used in our older cars. Make sure to look at the round API symbol and make sure that the words "Resource Conserving" ARE NOT there when choosing your oil.
> > Richard
> > --- In
> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> , Eric Geiger wrote:
> > > I believe I've re Castro GTX recommended.
> > > Eric J. Geiger
> > > ---------------------------------------
> > > PRG Nocturne
> > > XXX-XXX-XXXX phone
> > > XXX-XXX-XXXX fax
> > > XXX-XXX-XXXX mobile
> > > egeiger@
> www.prgnocturne.com
> > > On Jan 30, 2013, at 12:12 PM, "ROBERTO" > wrote:
> > > SAME OIL AS ANY 4 STROKE AIR COOLED ENGINE
> > > if you overbore, is from the oil contamination can occur faster,the engine works on bearings, i use castrol sae 40 or 30 on winter and
> > > 20w50 on sumer ( i live on the baja cal desert area )
> > > --- In
> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> , "braulio_morales" wrote:
> > > > What Motor Oil do you guys recommend on a rebuilt engine?
> > > > thanks!!!
Eric Geiger
Posts: 182
Joined: Tue Apr 03, 2012 8:38 am

Re: Honda 600 Motor Oil

Post by Eric Geiger »

If I add ZDDP plus to Mobil 1 15-50 synthetic or Castrol GTX 20-50 ill be safe then right?  I'm due for my spring oil change and just wanna know ill be good for the summer.
Will adding the ZDDP plus to any oil make it suitable for running in our cars?
Eric J. Geiger
PRG Nocturne
XXX-XXX-XXXX  phone
XXX-XXX-XXXX  fax
XXX-XXX-XXXX  mobile
egeiger@...
www.prgnocturne.com
On Feb 10, 2013, at 5:41 PM, I'm glad I'm not the only one that is confused.  I think the Mobil 1 15-50 synthetic????  I'm going with that I'm just about to see if my Hawaiian is going to live again after a 35 year rest.
>  Kurt
> On Feb 10, 2013, at 9:39 AM, Eric Geiger egeiger@...
> > wrote:
> > i can't even keep track of what I'm supposed to use anymore with all this chat.  whats the consensus now on whats best.
> > Eric J. Geiger
> > PRG Nocturne
> > XXX-XXX-XXXX
> >  phone
> > XXX-XXX-XXXX
> >  fax
> > XXX-XXX-XXXX
> >  mobile
> > egeiger@...
> > www.prgnocturne.com
> > On Feb 10, 2013, at 11:08 AM, Mark P Hatten wrote:
> > > I was worried to go too thin on oil. I went with Mobil 1 synthetic 15-50 weight. I don't notice any more power, but, my-my! does it shift better now. I think the old house brand standard 20-50 oil was cold and thick.
> > > It is worth it just for the better shift feel.
> > > The next oil change I may go down to 15-40 synthetic and try that.
> > > Mark
> > > www.mphspecialties.com
> > > To:
> > > anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
> > > From:
> > > lyletrudell@...
> > > Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 16:14:30 +0000
> > > Subject: [anzhonda600owners] Re: Honda 600 Motor Oil
> > > ZDDP levels and air cooled flat tappet engines.
> > > SHELL REPLY:
> > > As I explained to you over the phone Phosphorus and Zinc content is not a criteria to be used in selecting the right oil for an engine. Rotella T 15W-40 meets API CJ-4, and supersedes CI-4 and previous specs. Maximum allowable Phosphorus content for API CJ-4 > > > specified oils is 1200ppm. Phosphorus (S) and Zinc (Zn) comes from ZDDP additives used in the oil.
> > > Although, S and Zn content of Rotella T 15W-40 was slightly lowered to meet CJ-4 specification, the performance of the oil has not been compromised compared to previous Rotella T with CI-4 spec. In fact, new Rotella T 15W-40 shows better wear resistance, deposit > > > control and reduced emissions. This was achieved by the improvements in additive technologies and Shell's advanced oil formulation techniques.
> > > However, if a customer is still insisting on a product with CI-4 spec then our Rimula Premium 15W-40 can be offered.
> > > Technical Representative Lubes & Fuels
> > > Shell Canada Products
> > > CASTROL REPLY:
> > > Unfortunately Castrol's oils formulations are proprietary information and are not released to the general public.
> > > However, we can tell you that the ZDDP levels have been reduced.
> > > We DO NOT recommend any of our GTX Dino oils for flat-tappet engines; we recommend Syntec for older cars.
> > > Castrol Consumer Relations.
> > > I called Castrol to confirm this.
> > > They do not recommend any of their Dino oils (Including 20W50 and 15W40 Diesel) for our air-cooled engines (Or any engine with flat tappets)
> > > --- In
> > > anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
> > > , Mark P Hatten wrote:
> > > > I'm itching to try some synthetic Mobil 1 , 15-40 wt. turbo truck oil in my Z coupe. The 20-50 seems so thick, and we have such a cool cliamte I don't think it ever warms up enough. Hoping for a little more zip !
> > > www.mphspecialties.com
> > > > To: richmccolman@...;
> > > 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> > > > From: mattferkey@...
> > > > Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 19:29:40 -0800
> > > > Subject: RE: [2cylinderhondas] Re: Motor Oil
> > > > I've always been an amsoil guy... They came out with a new oil called ZROD and it has the extra zink our cars love.
> > > > Sent from my Windows Phone
> > > > From: richmccolman
> > > > Sent: 1/30/2013 8:51 PM
> > > > To:
> > > 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: [2cylinderhondas] Re: Motor Oil
> > > > Yep, Castrol GTX 20-50. It has reasonably high levels of anti-wear ZDDP, though there are some who say that for engine break-in, even higher levels of ZDDP might be needed. I've gotten some ZDDPlus additive, myself.
> > > > Whatever you do, DO NOT use any oil that says "Resource Conserving" on the round API icon on the bottle. Those types of oils have quite low levels of ZDDP, and will definitely lead to premature engine wear, particularly on the valve lifters. (Those oils are > > > okay only for newer cars that have roller lifters.)
> > > > Note that some Castrol oils are the "Resource Conserving" type, and should NOT be used in our older cars. Make sure to look at the round API symbol and make sure that the words "Resource Conserving" ARE NOT there when choosing your oil.
> > > > Richard
> > > > --- In
> > > 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> > > , Eric Geiger wrote:
> > > > > I believe I've re Castro GTX recommended.
> > > > > Eric J. Geiger
> > > > > ---------------------------------------
> > > > > PRG Nocturne
> > > > > XXX-XXX-XXXX phone
> > > > > XXX-XXX-XXXX fax
> > > > > XXX-XXX-XXXX mobile
> > > > > egeiger@
> > > www.prgnocturne.com
> > > > > On Jan 30, 2013, at 12:12 PM, "ROBERTO" > wrote:
> > > > > SAME OIL AS ANY 4 STROKE AIR COOLED ENGINE
> > > > > if you overbore, is from the oil contamination can occur faster,the engine works on bearings, i use castrol sae 40 or 30 on winter and
> > > > > 20w50 on sumer ( i live on the baja cal desert area )
> > > > > --- In
> > > 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> > > , "braulio_morales" wrote:
> > > > > > What Motor Oil do you guys recommend on a rebuilt engine?
> > > > > > thanks!!!
[/quote]
Lyle
Posts: 41
Joined: Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:15 pm

Re: Honda 600 Motor Oil

Post by Lyle »

Don't know about adding ZDDP, do some research.
Check this info:
http://www.syntheticwarehouse.com/Amsoi ... le_Oil.htm
Wow,I will be switching to Amsoil after reading this. I will look around for some cheap Amsoil 20w-50 motorcycle oil.
Lyle
--- In
anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
, Eric Geiger wrote:
> If I add ZDDP plus to Mobil 1 15-50 synthetic or Castrol GTX 20-50 ill be safe then right? I'm due for my spring oil change and just wanna know ill be good for the summer.
> Will adding the ZDDP plus to any oil make it suitable for running in our cars?
> Eric J. Geiger
> PRG Nocturne
> XXX-XXX-XXXX phone
> XXX-XXX-XXXX fax
> XXX-XXX-XXXX mobile
> egeiger@...
> www.prgnocturne.com
> On Feb 10, 2013, at 5:41 PM, >
> > wrote:
> I'm glad I'm not the only one that is confused. I think the Mobil 1 15-50 synthetic???? I'm going with that I'm just about to see if my Hawaiian is going to live again after a 35 year rest.
> Kurt
> On Feb 10, 2013, at 9:39 AM, Eric Geiger > wrote:
> i can't even keep track of what I'm supposed to use anymore with all this chat. whats the consensus now on whats best.
> Eric J. Geiger
> PRG Nocturne
> XXX-XXX-XXXX phone
> XXX-XXX-XXXX fax
> XXX-XXX-XXXX mobile
> egeiger@...
> www.prgnocturne.com
> On Feb 10, 2013, at 11:08 AM, Mark P Hatten wrote:
> I was worried to go too thin on oil. I went with Mobil 1 synthetic 15-50 weight. I don't notice any more power, but, my-my! does it shift better now. I think the old house brand standard 20-50 oil was cold and thick.
> It is worth it just for the better shift feel.
> The next oil change I may go down to 15-40 synthetic and try that.
> Mark
> www.mphspecialties.com
> To:
anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
> From: lyletrudell@...
> Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 16:14:30 +0000
> Subject: [anzhonda600owners] Re: Honda 600 Motor Oil
> ZDDP levels and air cooled flat tappet engines.
> SHELL REPLY:
> As I explained to you over the phone Phosphorus and Zinc content is not a criteria to be used in selecting the right oil for an engine. Rotella T 15W-40 meets API CJ-4, and supersedes CI-4 and previous specs. Maximum allowable Phosphorus content for API CJ-4 specified oils is 1200ppm. Phosphorus (S) and Zinc (Zn) comes from ZDDP additives used in the oil.
> Although, S and Zn content of Rotella T 15W-40 was slightly lowered to meet CJ-4 specification, the performance of the oil has not been compromised compared to previous Rotella T with CI-4 spec. In fact, new Rotella T 15W-40 shows better wear resistance, deposit control and reduced emissions. This was achieved by the improvements in additive technologies and Shell's advanced oil formulation techniques.
> However, if a customer is still insisting on a product with CI-4 spec then our Rimula Premium 15W-40 can be offered.
> Technical Representative Lubes & Fuels
> Shell Canada Products
> CASTROL REPLY:
> Unfortunately Castrol's oils formulations are proprietary information and are not released to the general public.
> However, we can tell you that the ZDDP levels have been reduced.
> We DO NOT recommend any of our GTX Dino oils for flat-tappet engines; we recommend Syntec for older cars.
> Castrol Consumer Relations.
> I called Castrol to confirm this.
> They do not recommend any of their Dino oils (Including 20W50 and 15W40 Diesel) for our air-cooled engines (Or any engine with flat tappets)
> --- In
anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
, Mark P Hatten wrote:
> > I'm itching to try some synthetic Mobil 1 , 15-40 wt. turbo truck oil in my Z coupe. The 20-50 seems so thick, and we have such a cool cliamte I don't think it ever warms up enough. Hoping for a little more zip !
> > www.mphspecialties.com
> > To: richmccolman@;
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> > From: mattferkey@
> > Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 19:29:40 -0800
> > Subject: RE: [2cylinderhondas] Re: Motor Oil
> > I've always been an amsoil guy... They came out with a new oil called ZROD and it has the extra zink our cars love.
> > Sent from my Windows Phone
> > From: richmccolman
> > Sent: 1/30/2013 8:51 PM
> > To:
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [2cylinderhondas] Re: Motor Oil
> > Yep, Castrol GTX 20-50. It has reasonably high levels of anti-wear ZDDP, though there are some who say that for engine break-in, even higher levels of ZDDP might be needed. I've gotten some ZDDPlus additive, myself.
> > Whatever you do, DO NOT use any oil that says "Resource Conserving" on the round API icon on the bottle. Those types of oils have quite low levels of ZDDP, and will definitely lead to premature engine wear, particularly on the valve lifters. (Those oils are okay only for newer cars that have roller lifters.)
> > Note that some Castrol oils are the "Resource Conserving" type, and should NOT be used in our older cars. Make sure to look at the round API symbol and make sure that the words "Resource Conserving" ARE NOT there when choosing your oil.
> > Richard
> > --- In
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
, Eric Geiger wrote:
> > > I believe I've re Castro GTX recommended.
> > > Eric J. Geiger
> > > ---------------------------------------
> > > PRG Nocturne
> > > XXX-XXX-XXXX phone
> > > XXX-XXX-XXXX fax
> > > XXX-XXX-XXXX mobile
> > > egeiger@
> > > www.prgnocturne.com
> > > On Jan 30, 2013, at 12:12 PM, "ROBERTO" > wrote:
> > > SAME OIL AS ANY 4 STROKE AIR COOLED ENGINE
> > > if you overbore, is from the oil contamination can occur faster,the engine works on bearings, i use castrol sae 40 or 30 on winter and
> > > 20w50 on sumer ( i live on the baja cal desert area )
> > > --- In
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
, "braulio_morales" wrote:
> > > > What Motor Oil do you guys recommend on a rebuilt engine?
> > > > thanks!!!
notrace07
Posts: 26
Joined: Sun Oct 16, 2011 9:02 am

Re: Honda 600 Motor Oil

Post by notrace07 »

Someone that is a engine person speak up please. I just bought Mobil 1 synthetic 15-50 @ $8.99 a quart X 3 X 2 cars= a lot to be the wrong type and lets try again, not to mention the filters.
Back in the day I poured what ever was on the shelf or in a buddies garage that was free, All though you could buy a 600 for under a $1000 in good shape. Now after spending more that $1000+ just to get one running I would like to put the right oil in the first time.  I know for the amount of driving these little guys are going to do I could get by on olive oil.
Thanks to all for the help  Kurt
On Feb 10, 2013, at 4:04 PM, Eric Geiger wrote:
If I add ZDDP plus to Mobil 1 15-50 synthetic or Castrol GTX 20-50 ill be safe then right?  I'm due for my spring oil change and just wanna know ill be good for the summer.
Will adding the ZDDP plus to any oil make it suitable for running in our cars?
Eric J. Geiger
PRG Nocturne
XXX-XXX-XXXX
phone
XXX-XXX-XXXX
fax
XXX-XXX-XXXX
mobile
egeiger@...
www.prgnocturne.com
On Feb 10, 2013, at 5:41 PM, wrote:
> I'm glad I'm not the only one that is confused.  I think the Mobil 1 15-50 synthetic????  I'm going with that I'm just about to see if my Hawaiian is going to live again after a 35 year rest.
>  Kurt
> On Feb 10, 2013, at 9:39 AM, Eric Geiger egeiger@...
> > wrote:
> > i can't even keep track of what I'm supposed to use anymore with all this chat.  whats the consensus now on whats best.
> > Eric J. Geiger
> > PRG Nocturne
> > XXX-XXX-XXXX
> >  phone
> > XXX-XXX-XXXX
> >  fax
> > XXX-XXX-XXXX
> >  mobile
> > egeiger@...
> > www.prgnocturne.com
> > On Feb 10, 2013, at 11:08 AM, Mark P Hatten wrote:
> > > I was worried to go too thin on oil. I went with Mobil 1 synthetic 15-50 weight. I don't notice any more power, but, my-my! does it shift better now. I think the old house brand standard 20-50 oil was cold and thick.
> > > It is worth it just for the better shift feel.
> > > The next oil change I may go down to 15-40 synthetic and try that.
> > > Mark
> > > www.mphspecialties.com
> > > To:
> > > anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
> > > From:
> > > lyletrudell@...
> > > Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 16:14:30 +0000
> > > Subject: [anzhonda600owners] Re: Honda 600 Motor Oil
> > > ZDDP levels and air cooled flat tappet engines.
> > > SHELL REPLY:
> > > As I explained to you over the phone Phosphorus and Zinc content is not a criteria to be used in selecting the right oil for an engine. Rotella T 15W-40 meets API CJ-4, and supersedes CI-4 and previous specs. Maximum allowable Phosphorus content for API CJ-4 > > > specified oils is 1200ppm. Phosphorus (S) and Zinc (Zn) comes from ZDDP additives used in the oil.
> > > Although, S and Zn content of Rotella T 15W-40 was slightly lowered to meet CJ-4 specification, the performance of the oil has not been compromised compared to previous Rotella T with CI-4 spec. In fact, new Rotella T 15W-40 shows better wear resistance, deposit > > > control and reduced emissions. This was achieved by the improvements in additive technologies and Shell's advanced oil formulation techniques.
> > > However, if a customer is still insisting on a product with CI-4 spec then our Rimula Premium 15W-40 can be offered.
> > > Technical Representative Lubes & Fuels
> > > Shell Canada Products
> > > CASTROL REPLY:
> > > Unfortunately Castrol's oils formulations are proprietary information and are not released to the general public.
> > > However, we can tell you that the ZDDP levels have been reduced.
> > > We DO NOT recommend any of our GTX Dino oils for flat-tappet engines; we recommend Syntec for older cars.
> > > Castrol Consumer Relations.
> > > I called Castrol to confirm this.
> > > They do not recommend any of their Dino oils (Including 20W50 and 15W40 Diesel) for our air-cooled engines (Or any engine with flat tappets)
> > > --- In
> > > anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
> > > , Mark P Hatten wrote:
> > > > I'm itching to try some synthetic Mobil 1 , 15-40 wt. turbo truck oil in my Z coupe. The 20-50 seems so thick, and we have such a cool cliamte I don't think it ever warms up enough. Hoping for a little more zip !
> > > www.mphspecialties.com
> > > > To: richmccolman@...;
> > > 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> > > > From: mattferkey@...
> > > > Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 19:29:40 -0800
> > > > Subject: RE: [2cylinderhondas] Re: Motor Oil
> > > > I've always been an amsoil guy... They came out with a new oil called ZROD and it has the extra zink our cars love.
> > > > Sent from my Windows Phone
> > > > From: richmccolman
> > > > Sent: 1/30/2013 8:51 PM
> > > > To:
> > > 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: [2cylinderhondas] Re: Motor Oil
> > > > Yep, Castrol GTX 20-50. It has reasonably high levels of anti-wear ZDDP, though there are some who say that for engine break-in, even higher levels of ZDDP might be needed. I've gotten some ZDDPlus additive, myself.
> > > > Whatever you do, DO NOT use any oil that says "Resource Conserving" on the round API icon on the bottle. Those types of oils have quite low levels of ZDDP, and will definitely lead to premature engine wear, particularly on the valve lifters. (Those oils are > > > okay only for newer cars that have roller lifters.)
> > > > Note that some Castrol oils are the "Resource Conserving" type, and should NOT be used in our older cars. Make sure to look at the round API symbol and make sure that the words "Resource Conserving" ARE NOT there when choosing your oil.
> > > > Richard
> > > > --- In
> > > 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> > > , Eric Geiger wrote:
> > > > > I believe I've re Castro GTX recommended.
> > > > > Eric J. Geiger
> > > > > ---------------------------------------
> > > > > PRG Nocturne
> > > > > XXX-XXX-XXXX phone
> > > > > XXX-XXX-XXXX fax
> > > > > XXX-XXX-XXXX mobile
> > > > > egeiger@
> > > www.prgnocturne.com
> > > > > On Jan 30, 2013, at 12:12 PM, "ROBERTO" > wrote:
> > > > > SAME OIL AS ANY 4 STROKE AIR COOLED ENGINE
> > > > > if you overbore, is from the oil contamination can occur faster,the engine works on bearings, i use castrol sae 40 or 30 on winter and
> > > > > 20w50 on sumer ( i live on the baja cal desert area )
> > > > > --- In
> > > 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> > > , "braulio_morales" wrote:
> > > > > > What Motor Oil do you guys recommend on a rebuilt engine?
> > > > > > thanks!!!
Lyle
Posts: 41
Joined: Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:15 pm

Re: Honda 600 Motor Oil

Post by Lyle »

Scroll down the page until you see:
New-"Motorcycle oil whitepaper study"
Click on it, some good info.
Or too much info?
Lyle
--- In
anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
, "Lyle" wrote:
> Don't know about adding ZDDP, do some research.
> Check this info:
http://www.syntheticwarehouse.com/Amsoi ... le_Oil.htm
> Wow,I will be switching to Amsoil after reading this. I will look around for some cheap Amsoil 20w-50 motorcycle oil.
> Lyle
> --- In
anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
, Eric Geiger wrote:
> > If I add ZDDP plus to Mobil 1 15-50 synthetic or Castrol GTX 20-50 ill be safe then right? I'm due for my spring oil change and just wanna know ill be good for the summer.
> > Will adding the ZDDP plus to any oil make it suitable for running in our cars?
> > Eric J. Geiger
> > PRG Nocturne
> > XXX-XXX-XXXX phone
> > XXX-XXX-XXXX fax
> > XXX-XXX-XXXX mobile
> > egeiger@
> > www.prgnocturne.com
> > On Feb 10, 2013, at 5:41 PM, >
> > > wrote:
> > I'm glad I'm not the only one that is confused. I think the Mobil 1 15-50 synthetic???? I'm going with that I'm just about to see if my Hawaiian is going to live again after a 35 year rest.
> > Kurt
> > On Feb 10, 2013, at 9:39 AM, Eric Geiger > wrote:
> > i can't even keep track of what I'm supposed to use anymore with all this chat. whats the consensus now on whats best.
> > Eric J. Geiger
> > PRG Nocturne
> > XXX-XXX-XXXX phone
> > XXX-XXX-XXXX fax
> > XXX-XXX-XXXX mobile
> > egeiger@
> > www.prgnocturne.com
> > On Feb 10, 2013, at 11:08 AM, Mark P Hatten wrote:
> > I was worried to go too thin on oil. I went with Mobil 1 synthetic 15-50 weight. I don't notice any more power, but, my-my! does it shift better now. I think the old house brand standard 20-50 oil was cold and thick.
> > It is worth it just for the better shift feel.
> > The next oil change I may go down to 15-40 synthetic and try that.
> > Mark
> > www.mphspecialties.com
> > To:
anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
> > From: lyletrudell@
> > Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 16:14:30 +0000
> > Subject: [anzhonda600owners] Re: Honda 600 Motor Oil
> > ZDDP levels and air cooled flat tappet engines.
> > SHELL REPLY:
> > As I explained to you over the phone Phosphorus and Zinc content is not a criteria to be used in selecting the right oil for an engine. Rotella T 15W-40 meets API CJ-4, and supersedes CI-4 and previous specs. Maximum allowable Phosphorus content for API CJ-4 specified oils is 1200ppm. Phosphorus (S) and Zinc (Zn) comes from ZDDP additives used in the oil.
> > Although, S and Zn content of Rotella T 15W-40 was slightly lowered to meet CJ-4 specification, the performance of the oil has not been compromised compared to previous Rotella T with CI-4 spec. In fact, new Rotella T 15W-40 shows better wear resistance, deposit control and reduced emissions. This was achieved by the improvements in additive technologies and Shell's advanced oil formulation techniques.
> > However, if a customer is still insisting on a product with CI-4 spec then our Rimula Premium 15W-40 can be offered.
> > Technical Representative Lubes & Fuels
> > Shell Canada Products
> > CASTROL REPLY:
> > Unfortunately Castrol's oils formulations are proprietary information and are not released to the general public.
> > However, we can tell you that the ZDDP levels have been reduced.
> > We DO NOT recommend any of our GTX Dino oils for flat-tappet engines; we recommend Syntec for older cars.
> > Castrol Consumer Relations.
> > I called Castrol to confirm this.
> > They do not recommend any of their Dino oils (Including 20W50 and 15W40 Diesel) for our air-cooled engines (Or any engine with flat tappets)
> > --- In
anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
, Mark P Hatten wrote:
> > > I'm itching to try some synthetic Mobil 1 , 15-40 wt. turbo truck oil in my Z coupe. The 20-50 seems so thick, and we have such a cool cliamte I don't think it ever warms up enough. Hoping for a little more zip !
> > > www.mphspecialties.com
> > > To: richmccolman@;
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> > > From: mattferkey@
> > > Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 19:29:40 -0800
> > > Subject: RE: [2cylinderhondas] Re: Motor Oil
> > > I've always been an amsoil guy... They came out with a new oil called ZROD and it has the extra zink our cars love.
> > > Sent from my Windows Phone
> > > From: richmccolman
> > > Sent: 1/30/2013 8:51 PM
> > > To:
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [2cylinderhondas] Re: Motor Oil
> > > Yep, Castrol GTX 20-50. It has reasonably high levels of anti-wear ZDDP, though there are some who say that for engine break-in, even higher levels of ZDDP might be needed. I've gotten some ZDDPlus additive, myself.
> > > Whatever you do, DO NOT use any oil that says "Resource Conserving" on the round API icon on the bottle. Those types of oils have quite low levels of ZDDP, and will definitely lead to premature engine wear, particularly on the valve lifters. (Those oils are okay only for newer cars that have roller lifters.)
> > > Note that some Castrol oils are the "Resource Conserving" type, and should NOT be used in our older cars. Make sure to look at the round API symbol and make sure that the words "Resource Conserving" ARE NOT there when choosing your oil.
> > > Richard
> > > --- In
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
, Eric Geiger wrote:
> > > > I believe I've re Castro GTX recommended.
> > > > Eric J. Geiger
> > > > ---------------------------------------
> > > > PRG Nocturne
> > > > XXX-XXX-XXXX phone
> > > > XXX-XXX-XXXX fax
> > > > XXX-XXX-XXXX mobile
> > > > egeiger@
> > > > www.prgnocturne.com
> > > > On Jan 30, 2013, at 12:12 PM, "ROBERTO" > wrote:
> > > > SAME OIL AS ANY 4 STROKE AIR COOLED ENGINE
> > > > if you overbore, is from the oil contamination can occur faster,the engine works on bearings, i use castrol sae 40 or 30 on winter and
> > > > 20w50 on sumer ( i live on the baja cal desert area )
> > > > --- In
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
, "braulio_morales" wrote:
> > > > > What Motor Oil do you guys recommend on a rebuilt engine?
> > > > > thanks!!!
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