Really great shots, lots of coverage and meaningful representation of the first Honda's brought into the USA. It's not often we see this much energy placed in a vehicle not known for it's racing prowess. To bad the salt worm is getting to it's body.
Question, what is it's weight in racing garb?
Bill
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> [2cylinderhondas] Re: Oiling and cooler (was Bonneville
> Honda)
> There are a handful more here:
> http://jdmtown.garagecity.com/600hondaavenue/97/
> Plus
> I've got some "Bonneville Honda" folders and I think a "Fuel Injection" folder > here in the group.
> A very very flattering write up:
> http://speedhunters.com/archive/2009/08 ... ville.aspx > (But > you can see how tired/rough the car has become . . . hence the > retirement.) > And a first - dyno tuning on the salt flats of > Bonneville:
> http://jalopnik.com/5336932/testing-and ... vil-tweety > (Yes, > it was missing . . . this was the first time ever I'd gotten it set > up.) > And I hope I'm not monopolizing the group right now. I've got a > lot of respect for the folks that keep these babies stock, or restore one. We > started with a "salvaged" titled car that was in rough shape, and I hope to > some day "give back" to the Honda 600 community by sharing information and > maybe helping to get some parts remade or repaired.
> Believe me - if you
> have a stock/complete car, keep it that way. These cars are getting rarer and > more desirable. There is a new trend in getting a "vintage" small displacement > car. They are becoming very cool (as well as very smart money-wise at the > pump.) > --- In > 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com > , > Tran Nguyen wrote:
> > thats a wild
> setup! any more pics?
> > To:
> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> From: jpro8071@...
> > Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 17:15:00 +0000
> Subject: [2cylinderhondas] Oiling and cooler (was Bonneville Honda)
> > Unfortunately I'm one of
> those people that can't remember the different AN fitting sizes, so I'll have > to take a closer look at the system to see what size hoses I'm using.
> > Bill's adapter removes the stock paper filter element. It has an > "out" and an "in" fitting.
> > From the "out" fitting we run a
> line to an very large external oil filter (the same filter a Ford 302 would > run) - and we've got an aftermarket larger capacity (and more efficient) oil > filter. A little ways after the filter we have a T fitting. Off of it comes a > smaller line that feeds the head, and one that is the same size as the "out" > line that goes to the "in" section on Bill's adapter. (When we run a cooler, > the cooler goes between the "out" and the oil filter, so that the oil going > into the head has been cooled also.)
> > The smaller line for the
> head travels maybe 2 or 3 feet to another "T" fitting where we break off two > equal size lines to the top of the head. (Remember - we don't have oil flowing > up the cylinders to feed the cam/top end and one main bearing via > gravity.)
> > You can see the lines to the top of the head
> here:
> http://images.garagecity.com/49/97/f1_i ... n.orig.jpg
> > The photo is a little confusing - there are two lines with brass > fittings that are the fuel injectors. The two fittings with the blue 90 degree > fittings are where the oil get dumped into the top end.
> Besides the benefit of cooling the oil, you also add a quart to a quart and a > half more capacity, which I think is a plus.
> > I think next
> time we'll put some rare-earth magnets inside the oil filter and maybe even > epoxied inside the case.
> > --- In
> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> ,
> "lyletrudell" wrote:
> > > I have my
> oil pump out. How about some more detail on the modified oil path from the oil > cooler. The oil cooler to me is the best addition to any air cooled engine. I > am not racing but better oiling is always a good thing.
> Thanks
> > > Lyle
> > > Craft59@
> > > ---
> In
> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> ,
> "jpro8071" wrote:
> > > > We run
> Bill's oil cooler. Plus the oil to feed the top end (cam) (and one of the > mains via gravity) is fed from a feed off of the oil cooler. So the oil that > feeds the top basically does NOT go up cylinders, which helps to keep it > cooler.
> > > > Plus we ran Mile's remanufactured
> oil pump.
> > > > --- In
> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> ,
> "lyletrudell" wrote:
> > > Yes, the crank is a weak point for sure, the new crank should be a > good way to save some engines.
> > > > > The oil pump system also
> is a weak link, have you done anything with the pump?
> Lyle
> > > > > --- In
> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> ,
> "jpro8071" wrote:
> > > > For production you do have to stay stock in the valve > configuration, so only 2 valves for the Z/N 600s. (You can change the port > angle if you've got the time and $$.)
> > > > > And we did offset the bore (and re-sleeve) to comfortably > get the 700cc size. 750 can be done, but I'd rather spend the whole week > racing than melt down the first day after spending a year preparing.
> > > > > > I've talked more with my
> sponsor about building cranks. He's gotten a bit more excited by the idea, > which is why I posted the poll on after-market cranks. (My goal would be to > come up with something so I can get my 750cc motor, and everyone else can get > a new crank/piston setup that gets them a little more displacement and power > along with the comfort of knowing it's new and should last a long time . . .
> )
> > > > > > --- In
> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> ,
> "lyletrudell" wrote:
> > > > > > > Wow, that is some open rules.
> > > > > > The "Stock block" really opens it up for a 4 valve > head design!
> > > > > > > Maybe Re-sleeve the block,
> offset wider so you can bore it out to 750.
> So many high tech engines out today to take parts from.
> > > I would love to go see the cars run.
> > The worlds fastest Indian was a cool movie!
> > Lyle
> --- In
> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> ,
> "jpro8071" wrote:
> > > > > > > > The class is actually limited to
> 750cc, and since newer production cars can run EFI, they allow older cars to.
> (There is a "classic" production class for larger displacement - carbs or > mechanical fuel injection only.)
> > > > > > > > My sponsor was only comfortable pushing
> things to 700cc. I'm pretty sure that 750cc has been done on a stock stroke, > but it makes for very thin cylinder walls. There are also some issues with > space for sealing the head gasket.
> > > > > > > > The two main parts of the production
> class is having the "stock" block, and the body having the stock > configuration.
> > > > Bonneville is quite an experience. You can really get up close > and "look under the hood" of most of the cars. People are really friendly, > like to answer questions. If anyone out there plans on running a vehicle, I > highly advise attending once to spectate. Get a feel for the process, > environment, rules, etc..
> > > > > > And of course if anyone plans on going out to
> spectate, let me know. If I'm out there I'm happy to share my pits and perhaps > show you around.
> > > > --- In
> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> ,
> "lyletrudell" wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Nice job on the car. Like
> the ignition system and fuel injection.
> > Are you in a stock under 700cc class? I didn't think you could modify the > car that much without going into the unlimited class.
> > > > > Bonneville would be so cool to go watch or run.
> > > > > > > > Lyle
> > > > --- In
> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> ,
> "jpro8071" wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > You can read more
> here:
> http://jdmtown.garagecity.com/600hondaavenue/97//
> > > I'm pretty sure they were water cut, but I could be wrong.
> > > --- In
> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> ,
> "lyletrudell" wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > jpro,
> your Bonneville Honda sounds interesting, where do I go to see what you have > done? Pictures/info.
> > > > > > > > > > > Good
> idea with the copper gasket.
> > Do you get them laser cut or water jet?
> > > > > A cheap way for a batch run.
> > > > > > Thanks
> > > Lyle
> > > > > > > > > > --- In
> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> ,
> "jpro8071" wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > I
> just read my post and realized it wasn't that clear - I'm talking about head > gaskets made from one piece of copper with no other gasket material > involved.
> > > > > > > > > > > --- In
> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> ,
> "jpro8071" wrote:
> > Since no water is involved, all copper head gaskets work great. We've > been using them on the Bonneville Honda for years with great success. PM me if > you have interest in getting one and I'll see what sort of bulk deal I can > arrange.
