why in the world would You use a plasma cutter on a gas tank with gas in it? Am i missing something here? Open flame . . .gas . . .
?
From:
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Saturday, June 30, 2012 4:19 PM Subject:
Re: [anzhonda600owners] Rusted and Bunged Screw
well, maybe not for you but I have done it many times. I have been filmed cutting a 5000 gallon gasoline tank with a plasma torch - still had a 1/4 tank full...btw a small weld on that cover with a mig welder is no big deal.
Rusted and Bunged Screw
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Re: Rusted and Bunged Screw
sometimes you need to disassemble a tank in order to clean it out, you need to clean it out before you can get rid of it. I don't need to educate you on the whole process, but if you know what you are doing - thats how its done. I'll give you a hint argon or nitrogen and positive pressure.
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Re: Rusted and Bunged Screw
you can find a radiator shop to boil it out for you. i got quotes for around 100$ to do it where i live.
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On Jun 30, 2012, at 10:03 PM, John Mills wrote:
> sometimes you need to disassemble a tank in order to clean it out, you need to clean it out before you can get rid of it. I don't need to educate you on the whole process, > but if you know what you are doing - thats how its done. I'll give you a hint argon or nitrogen and positive pressure.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: T W S woofbiteme@...
> To: anzhonda600owners anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sat, Jun 30, 2012 6:39 pm
> Subject: Re: [anzhonda600owners] Rusted and Bunged Screw
> why in the world would You use a plasma cutter on a gas tank with gas in it? Am i missing something here? Open flame . . .gas . . .
> ?
> From:
> John Mills jbmkwaj@...
> To:
> anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
> Sent:
> Saturday, June 30, 2012 4:19 PM
> Subject:
> Re: [anzhonda600owners] Rusted and Bunged Screw
> well, maybe not for you but I have done it many times. I have been filmed cutting a 5000 gallon gasoline tank with a plasma torch - still had a 1/4 tank full...btw a small weld on that cover with a mig welder is > no big deal.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eric Geiger egeiger@...
> To: anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
> > anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sat, Jun 30, 2012 1:40 pm
> Subject: Re: [anzhonda600owners] Rusted and Bunged Screw
> I don't think welding anything around the fuel pump or tank is advisable.
> Eric J. Geiger
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> On Jun 30, 2012, at 3:14 PM, "John Mills" jbmkwaj@...
> > wrote:
> > OR.........weld a nut to it, no muss no fuss
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: brad fenn > classicauto2830@...
> > To: anzhonda600owners > anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sat, Jun 30, 2012 12:33 pm
> > Subject: Re: [anzhonda600owners] Rusted and Bunged Screw
> > One thing you might try, if you can get all the other screws out, pry the access door up on the side with out the screws and try rotating counterclockwise. You may bend it a little, but > > you can straighten it back when done. Sometimes when rotating it will loosen the screw to the point you can get a hold of it with something. If it doesn't budge,then do what Eric suggested.
> > From:
> > baldwin_elias > baldwinelias@...
> > To:
> > anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent:
> > Sat, June 30, 2012 2:00:15 PM
> > Subject:
> > [anzhonda600owners] Rusted and Bunged Screw
> > I'm working on cleaning the rusty chocolate milk, I mean, gasoline out of my coupe's tank and filter. One of the screws on the fuel filter/pump access door (under the seat) is badly rusted and so messed up it has no indication of ever having a Phillips > > head. Vice grips haven't worked, only chewed the screw more. Impact driver has nothing to grip. PB Blaster has been applied liberally. What are your preferred methods for removing something like this?
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Re: Rusted and Bunged Screw
Eric, I am refering to a 5,000 gallon up to a 20,000 gallon tank --
Re: Rusted and Bunged Screw
It looks like most of the more common ways of removing a rusted bolt or nut has been said. The task is to crack the rust corrosion from the bolt or nut by changing the size of the threads by heating them up or cooling them off. Heat as has already been discussed, is not a great idea for most of us around gas. So I have found "CRC Freeze-Off" to really step up to the task. Freezing the nut or bolt causes the metal to shrink and cracks the rust allowing the Freeze-Off super penetrant to leech in and the nut or bolt threads and comes right off.
Bill
Bill
Re: Rusted and Bunged Screw
Bill
that is what I did a couple of times using the liquid air upside down to freeze the bolt. put a vise grip on it and wiggling it back and forth for a week while putting on a penetrating oil on it.
I agree flame and gas is not a good idea for most people unless you really know what you are doing.
that is what I did a couple of times using the liquid air upside down to freeze the bolt. put a vise grip on it and wiggling it back and forth for a week while putting on a penetrating oil on it.
I agree flame and gas is not a good idea for most people unless you really know what you are doing.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> Bill
> To:
> anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
> Sent:
> Sunday, July 01, 2012 8:59 AM
> Subject:
> RE: [anzhonda600owners] Rusted
> and Bunged Screw
> It looks like most of the more common ways of removing a
> rusted bolt or nut has been said. The task is to crack the rust > corrosion from the bolt or nut by changing the size of the threads by heating > them up or cooling them off. Heat as has already been discussed, is not > a great idea for most of us around gas. So I have found "CRC Freeze-Off" > to really step up to the task. Freezing the nut or bolt causes the metal > to shrink and cracks the rust allowing the Freeze-Off super penetrant to leech > in and the nut or bolt threads and comes right off.
> Bill
> From:
> anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of
> John
> Mills
> Sent:
> Saturday, June 30, 2012 8:04 PM
> To:
> anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
> Subject:
> Re: [anzhonda600owners]
> Rusted and Bunged Screw
> sometimes you need to disassemble a tank
> in order to clean it out, you need to clean it out before you can get rid of > it. I don't need to educate you on the whole process, but if you know what you > are doing - thats how its done. I'll give you a hint argon or nitrogen and > positive pressure.
> -----Original
> Message-----
> From: T W S
> To:
> anzhonda600owners
> Sent: Sat, Jun
> 30, 2012 6:39 pm
> Subject: Re: [anzhonda600owners] Rusted and Bunged
> Screw
> why in the world would You use a plasma cutter on a gas tank with > gas in it? Am i missing something here? Open flame . . .gas . . .
> ?
> From:
> John Mills jbmkwaj@...
> To:
> anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
> Sent:
> Saturday, June 30,
> 2012 4:19 PM
> Subject:
> Re:
> [anzhonda600owners] Rusted and Bunged Screw
> well, maybe not for you but I have
> done it many times. I have been filmed cutting a 5000 gallon gasoline tank > with a plasma torch - still had a 1/4 tank full...btw a small weld on that > cover with a mig welder is no big deal.
> -----Original
> Message-----
> From: Eric Geiger egeiger@...
> To:
> anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
> anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
> Sent:
> Sat, Jun 30, 2012 1:40 pm
> Subject: Re: [anzhonda600owners] Rusted and
> Bunged Screw
> I don't think welding anything around the fuel pump or tank is > advisable.
> Eric J. Geiger
> ---------------------------------------
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> On Jun 30, 2012, at 3:14 PM, "John Mills" jbmkwaj@...
> > wrote:
> > OR.........weld a nut to it, no
> > muss no fuss
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: brad fenn
> > > classicauto2830@...
> > To: anzhonda600owners > anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sat, Jun 30,
> > 2012 12:33 pm
> > Subject: Re: [anzhonda600owners] Rusted and Bunged
> > Screw
> > One
> > thing you might try, if you can get all the other screws out, pry the access > > door up on the side with out the screws and try rotating counterclockwise.
> > You may bend it a little, but you can straighten it back when done.
> > Sometimes when rotating it will loosen the screw to the point you can get a > > hold of it with something. If it doesn't budge,then do what Eric > > suggested.
> > From:
> > baldwin_elias > baldwinelias@...
> > To:
> > anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent:
> > Sat, June 30, 2012 2:00:15
> > PM
> > Subject:
> > [anzhonda600owners] Rusted and Bunged
> > Screw
> > I'm working on cleaning the rusty chocolate milk, I mean, gasoline out > > of my coupe's tank and filter. One of the screws on the fuel filter/pump > > access door (under the seat) is badly rusted and so messed up it has no > > indication of ever having a Phillips head. Vice grips haven't worked, only > > chewed the screw more. Impact driver has nothing to grip. PB Blaster has > > been applied liberally. What are your preferred methods for removing > > something like this?
Re: Rusted and Bunged Screw
Tom;
Yep, anything to crack the rust and get some lube in between the threads always helps. I have even used a flat punch to tap on the end of the bolt braking that rust grip.
The best way to prevent rusty fasteners is to have all your hardware, bolts, screws and nuts plated with either cad or zinc and use a thread locker or anti-seize to keep the threads free of corrosion. Years later the calipers on my Coupe still come out without a hitch. Honda had all their hardware plated before assembly and through the years the plating was degraded when parts were removed or replaced and OEM bolts were not used or the old ones were replaced and no coating applied.
Bill
Yep, anything to crack the rust and get some lube in between the threads always helps. I have even used a flat punch to tap on the end of the bolt braking that rust grip.
The best way to prevent rusty fasteners is to have all your hardware, bolts, screws and nuts plated with either cad or zinc and use a thread locker or anti-seize to keep the threads free of corrosion. Years later the calipers on my Coupe still come out without a hitch. Honda had all their hardware plated before assembly and through the years the plating was degraded when parts were removed or replaced and OEM bolts were not used or the old ones were replaced and no coating applied.
Bill
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of
> TOM
> THIES
> Sent:
> Sunday, July 01, 2012 10:54 AM
> To:
> anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
> Subject:
> Re: [anzhonda600owners]
> Rusted and Bunged Screw
> Bill
> that is what I did a couple of times using the liquid air upside down to > freeze the bolt. put a vise grip on it and wiggling it back and forth > for a week while putting on a penetrating oil on it.
> I agree flame and gas is not a good idea for most people unless you > really know what you are doing.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From:
> > Bill
> > To:
> > anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent:
> > Sunday, July 01, 2012 8:59
> > AM
> > Subject:
> > RE: [anzhonda600owners] Rusted
> > and Bunged Screw
> > It looks like most of the more common ways of removing
> > a rusted bolt or nut has been said. The task is to crack the rust > > corrosion from the bolt or nut by changing the size of the threads by > > heating them up or cooling them off. Heat as has already been > > discussed, is not a great idea for most of us around gas. So I have > > found "CRC Freeze-Off" to really step up to the task. Freezing the nut > > or bolt causes the metal to shrink and cracks the rust allowing the > > Freeze-Off super penetrant to leech in and the nut or bolt threads and comes > > right off.
> > Bill
> > From:
> > anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com]
> > On Behalf Of
> > John
> > Mills
> > Sent:
> > Saturday, June 30, 2012 8:04 PM
> > To:
> > anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject:
> > Re: [anzhonda600owners]
> > Rusted and Bunged Screw
> > sometimes you need to disassemble a tank
> > in order to clean it out, you need to clean it out before you can get rid of > > it. I don't need to educate you on the whole process, but if you know what > > you are doing - thats how its done. I'll give you a hint argon or nitrogen > > and positive pressure.
> > -----Original
> > Message-----
> > From: T W S
> > To:
> > anzhonda600owners > > Sent: Sat, > > Jun 30, 2012 6:39 pm > > Subject: Re: [anzhonda600owners] Rusted and Bunged > > Screw
> > why in the world would You use a plasma cutter on a gas tank with > > gas in it? Am i missing something here? Open flame . . .gas . . .
> > ?
> > From:
> > John Mills > jbmkwaj@...
> > To:
> > anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent:
> > Saturday, June 30,
> > 2012 4:19 PM
> > Subject:
> > Re:
> > [anzhonda600owners] Rusted and Bunged Screw
> > well, maybe not for you but I have
> > done it many times. I have been filmed cutting a 5000 gallon gasoline tank > > with a plasma torch - still had a 1/4 tank full...btw a small weld on that > > cover with a mig welder is no big deal.
> > -----Original
> > Message-----
> > From: Eric Geiger > egeiger@...
> > To:
> > > anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
> > > anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent:
> > Sat, Jun 30, 2012 1:40 pm
> > Subject: Re: [anzhonda600owners] Rusted and
> > Bunged Screw
> > I don't think welding anything around the fuel pump or tank is > > advisable.
> > Eric J. Geiger
> > ---------------------------------------
> > PRG Nocturne
> > XXX-XXX-XXXX phone
> > XXX-XXX-XXXX fax
> > XXX-XXX-XXXX mobile
> > egeiger@...
> > http://www.prgnocturne.com/
> > On Jun 30, 2012, at 3:14 PM, "John Mills" > jbmkwaj@...
> > > wrote:
> > > OR.........weld a nut to it, no
> > > muss no fuss
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: brad
> > > fenn > > classicauto2830@...
> > > To: anzhonda600owners
> > > > > anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Sat, Jun
> > > 30, 2012 12:33 pm
> > > Subject: Re: [anzhonda600owners] Rusted and Bunged
> > > Screw
> > > One
> > > thing you might try, if you can get all the other screws out, pry the > > > access door up on the side with out the screws and try rotating > > > counterclockwise. You may bend it a little, but you can straighten it back > > > when done. Sometimes when rotating it will loosen the screw to the point > > > you can get a hold of it with something. If it doesn't budge,then do > > > what Eric suggested.
> > > From:
> > > baldwin_elias > > baldwinelias@...
> > > To:
> > > anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent:
> > > Sat, June 30, 2012 2:00:15
> > > PM
> > > Subject:
> > > [anzhonda600owners] Rusted and Bunged
> > > Screw
> > > I'm working on cleaning the rusty chocolate milk, I mean, gasoline > > > out of my coupe's tank and filter. One of the screws on the fuel > > > filter/pump access door (under the seat) is badly rusted and so messed up > > > it has no indication of ever having a Phillips head. Vice grips haven't > > > worked, only chewed the screw more. Impact driver has nothing to grip. PB > > > Blaster has been applied liberally. What are your preferred methods for > > > removing something like this?
Re: Rusted and Bunged Screw
i've cut a slot for a straight blade screwdriver with my dremel in screws and bolts that are stripped and used a hand impact on them with great success.