Re: [2cylinderhondas] High temp spray paint

[friend]

�

> Disagree, Hirsch
> Automotive has a paint I like to use on all exterior parts Empt-16A, they > call it Space Age Bright Aluminum.  An 1800 degree > formula withstanding all weather conditions.  It does not fully cure > until the engine heats up.  I have one engine that is 10 years since > painting and it still looks fresh.    I have noticed no > over heating.  See a picture of one in the ANZhonda600owners group site, > the last page photo album.
> Bill
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:
> > 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com]
> > On Behalf Of
> > Kevin
> > Lister
> > Sent:
> > Tuesday, July 12, 2011 2:16 PM
> > To:
> > 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject:
> > Re: [2cylinderhondas]
> > High temp spray paint
> > Johnny,
> > What are you planning to paint?
> > I wouldn't paint the cylinder as paint on that can hinder the > > cooling process.
> > kev
> > --- On
> > Tue, 7/12/11, johnny.siu@...
> >
> > wrote:
> > > From:
> > > johnny.siu@...
> > > Subject:
> > > [2cylinderhondas] High temp spray paint
> > > To:
> > > 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Tuesday, July 12, 2011,
> > > 2:11 PM
> > > I want to clean up my engine and spray paint it.
> > > Can anyone
> > > recommend a good high temperate sliver/chrome spray paint?
> > > many
> > > thx

[Kevin Lister]

You can disagree if you want but laminar air flow across a bare metal surface is always preferable to a painted metal for dumping heat. I've heard of hi-tech ceramic coatings that can be put on metal to aid in removing heat but this is expensive and I'm not convincded that it will make a huge difference in shedding heat. I wouldn't just believe in the all of the various claims of paints aiding in shedding heat. I'm just not convinced that coating the barrel is a good idea. It is really best to keep the metal fins clean and free of oil and dirt build up. YMMV.
Check out the Black Body Emitter (BBE) coating at Swaintech.
Are there any physicists or materials engineers on the group? What do you think?

--- On
Wed, 7/13/11, billmyong@...

wrote:
> From: billmyong@...
> Subject: [anzhonda600owners] RE: [2cylinderhondas] High temp spray paint > To: billmyong@..., "Anzhonda600owners@Yahoogroups. Com" , 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, July 13, 2011, 11:24 PM
> �
> > Disagree, Hirsch Automotive has a paint I like to use on all exterior parts Empt-16A, they call it Space Age Bright Aluminum.  An 1800 degree formula withstanding all weather conditions.  It does not fully cure until the engine heats up.  I have one engine that is 10 years since painting and it still looks fresh.    I have noticed no over heating.  See a picture of one in the ANZhonda600owners group site, the last page photo album.
> > Bill
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From:
> > > 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com [mailto:2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com] > > > On Behalf Of > > > Kevin Lister > > > Sent:
> > > Tuesday, July 12, 2011 2:16 PM
> > > To:
> > > 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject:
> > > Re: [2cylinderhondas] High temp spray paint
> > > Johnny,
> > > What are you planning to paint?
> > > I wouldn't paint the cylinder as paint on that can hinder the cooling process.
> > > kev
> > > --- On
> > > Tue, 7/12/11, johnny.siu@...
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > > > From: johnny.siu@...
> > > > Subject: [2cylinderhondas] High temp spray paint
> > > > To: 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Date: Tuesday, July 12, 2011, 2:11 PM
> > > > I want to clean up my engine and spray paint it.
> > > > Can anyone recommend a good high temperate sliver/chrome spray paint?
> > > > many thx

[friend]

�
Kev
I don't know why this is a discussion, Honda put a coat of clear on the cases when these engines were new.  Much of it burned off over the years, or was cleaned off with bead blasting or solvents like carb cleaner.  Owners of low mileage cars can attest to this as it will look yellowed.  Bare metal will oxidize, stain and corrode over time creating an even worse cooling surface.  Aluminum exfoliates due largely to bimetallic corrosion, so plating your steel bolts, covering the exposed surfaces is necessary protection.
The running temp of the oil on an engine gets to about 190 degrees, the cylinder head temp is at about 350 degrees under the plugs.  That's on both painted and unpainted engines.  I know this because I have installed gages on my cars over the years and this is what is indicated.  This means it's not that critical.  What is critical is the internal parts of the engine.
Warn parts will have more heat than like new.  Observing the tolerances as described in the Honda factory manuals will keep your engine cooler and running longer.  Having a clean like new engine on the outside like you do with the mechanical parts on the inside is something every owner should have as a goal.
Bill

> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of
> Kevin
> Lister
> Sent:
> Thursday, July 14, 2011 4:48 PM
> To:
> anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
> Subject:
> Re: [anzhonda600owners]
> RE: [2cylinderhondas] High temp spray paint
> You can disagree if you want but laminar air flow across a bare > metal surface is always preferable to a painted metal for dumping heat.
> I've heard of hi-tech ceramic coatings that can be put on metal to aid > in removing heat but this is expensive and I'm not convincded that > it will make a huge difference in shedding heat. I wouldn't just > believe in the all of the various claims of paints aiding in shedding > heat. I'm just not convinced that coating the barrel is a good idea. It > is really best to keep the metal fins clean and free of oil and dirt > build up. YMMV.
> Check out the Black Body Emitter (BBE) coating at Swaintech.
> Are there any physicists or materials engineers on the group? What > do you think?
> --- On
> Wed, 7/13/11, billmyong@...
>
> wrote:
> > From:
> > billmyong@...
> > Subject:
> > [anzhonda600owners] RE: [2cylinderhondas] High temp spray paint > > To:
> > billmyong@..., "Anzhonda600owners@Yahoogroups. Com" > > , > > 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Wednesday, July 13, 2011, > > 11:24 PM
> > �
> > > Disagree,
> > > Hirsch Automotive has a paint I like to use on all exterior > > > parts Empt-16A, they call it Space Age Bright Aluminum.  An > > > 1800 degree formula withstanding all weather conditions.
> > > It does not fully cure until the engine heats up.  I > > > have one engine that is 10 years since painting and it still > > > looks fresh.    I have noticed no over > > > heating.  See a picture of one in the ANZhonda600owners group > > > site, the last page photo album.
> > > Bill
> > > > -----Original
> > > > Message-----
> > > > From:
> > > > 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> > > > [mailto:2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com] > > > > On Behalf Of > > > > Kevin > > > > Lister > > > > Sent:
> > > > Tuesday, July 12, 2011 2:16
> > > > PM
> > > > To:
> > > > 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject:
> > > > Re:
> > > > [2cylinderhondas] High temp spray
> > > > paint
> > > > Johnny,
> > > > What are you planning to paint?
> > > > I wouldn't paint the cylinder as paint on that can
> > > > hinder the cooling process.
> > > > kev
> > > > --- On
> > > > Tue, 7/12/11,
> > > > johnny.siu@...
> > > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > From:
> > > > > johnny.siu@...
> > > > >
> > > > > Subject: [2cylinderhondas]
> > > > > High temp spray paint
> > > > > To:
> > > > > 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com > > > > > Date: Tuesday, July 12, > > > > > 2011, 2:11 PM
> > > > > I want to clean up my engine and spray paint
> > > > > it.
> > > > > Can anyone recommend a good high temperate
> > > > > sliver/chrome spray paint?
> > > > > many
> > > > > thx

[Kevin Lister]

We aren't talking about the cases. We're talking about the cylinder barrel. That's the part that gets really hot and requires a lot of laminar airflow. Painting the cases is fine.
Bimetallic corrosion is a real issue but you still need moisture for it to be a serious problem. Lot's of things are built with dissimilar metals and they last forever as long as there is no real moisture involved.
I'm ok with you having your own opinion and I'm also ok with us not agreeing. Having a discussion is what discussion boards are all about. ;o)
kev

--- On
Fri, 7/15/11, billmyong@...

wrote:
From: billmyong@...
Subject: RE: [anzhonda600owners] RE: [2cylinderhondas] High temp spray paint To: "2cylinderhondas@Yahoogroups. Com" , anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, July 15, 2011, 12:09 AM
�
Kev
I don't know why this is a discussion, Honda put a coat of clear on the cases when these engines were new.  Much of it burned off over the years, or was cleaned off with bead blasting or solvents like carb cleaner.  Owners of low mileage cars can attest to this as it will look yellowed.  Bare metal will oxidize, stain and corrode over time creating an even worse cooling surface.  Aluminum exfoliates due largely to bimetallic corrosion, so plating your steel bolts, covering the exposed surfaces is necessary protection.
The running temp of the oil on an engine gets to about 190 degrees, the cylinder head temp is at about 350 degrees under the plugs.  That's on both painted and unpainted engines.  I know this because I have installed gages on my cars over the years and this is what is indicated.  This means it's not that critical.  What is critical is the internal parts of the engine.  Warn parts will have more heat than like new.  Observing the tolerances as described in the Honda factory manuals will keep your engine cooler and running longer.  Having a clean like new engine on the outside like you do with the mechanical parts on the inside is something every owner should have as a goal.
Bill
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of > Kevin Lister > Sent:
> Thursday, July 14, 2011 4:48 PM
> To:
> anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
> Subject:
> Re: [anzhonda600owners] RE: [2cylinderhondas] High temp spray paint
> You can disagree if you want but laminar air flow across a bare metal surface is always preferable to a painted metal for dumping heat. I've heard of hi-tech ceramic coatings that can be put on metal to aid in removing heat but this is expensive and I'm not convincded that it will make a huge difference in shedding heat. I wouldn't just believe in the all of the various claims of paints aiding in shedding heat. I'm just not convinced that coating the barrel is a good idea. It is really best to keep the metal fins clean and free of oil and dirt build up. YMMV.
> Check out the Black Body Emitter (BBE) coating at Swaintech.
> Are there any physicists or materials engineers on the group? What do you think?
> --- On
> Wed, 7/13/11, billmyong@...
>
> wrote:
> > From: billmyong@...
> > Subject: [anzhonda600owners] RE: [2cylinderhondas] High temp spray paint > > To: billmyong@..., "Anzhonda600owners@Yahoogroups. Com" , 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Wednesday, July 13, 2011, 11:24 PM
> > �
> > > Disagree, Hirsch Automotive has a paint I like to use on all exterior parts Empt-16A, they call it Space Age Bright Aluminum.  An 1800 degree formula withstanding all weather conditions.  It does not fully cure until the engine heats up.  I have one engine that is 10 years since painting and it still looks fresh.    I have noticed no over heating.  See a picture of one in the ANZhonda600owners group site, the last page photo album.
> > > Bill
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From:
> > > > 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com [mailto:2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com] > > > > On Behalf Of > > > > Kevin Lister > > > > Sent:
> > > > Tuesday, July 12, 2011 2:16 PM
> > > > To:
> > > > 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject:
> > > > Re: [2cylinderhondas] High temp spray paint
> > > > Johnny,
> > > > What are you planning to paint?
> > > > I wouldn't paint the cylinder as paint on that can hinder the cooling process.
> > > > kev
> > > > --- On
> > > > Tue, 7/12/11, johnny.siu@...
> > > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > From: johnny.siu@...
> > > > > Subject: [2cylinderhondas] High temp spray paint
> > > > > To: 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Date: Tuesday, July 12, 2011, 2:11 PM
> > > > > I want to clean up my engine and spray paint it.
> > > > > Can anyone recommend a good high temperate sliver/chrome spray paint?
> > > > > many thx

[JOHN BURKHIMER]

Has anybody had any luck with Rustoleum high heat paint?

--- On
Fri, 7/15/11, Kevin Lister

wrote:
> From: Kevin Lister
> Subject: RE: [anzhonda600owners] RE: [2cylinderhondas] High temp spray paint > To: anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, July 15, 2011, 2:52 PM
> We aren't talking about the cases. We're talking about the cylinder barrel. That's the part that gets really hot and requires a lot of laminar airflow. Painting the cases is fine.
> Bimetallic corrosion is a real issue but you still need moisture for it to be a serious problem. Lot's of things are built with dissimilar metals and they last forever as long as there is no real moisture involved.
> I'm ok with you having your own opinion and I'm also ok with us not agreeing. Having a discussion is what discussion boards are all about. ;o)
> kev
> --- On
> Fri, 7/15/11, billmyong@...
>
> wrote:
> > From: billmyong@...
> > Subject: RE: [anzhonda600owners] RE: [2cylinderhondas] High temp spray paint > > To: "2cylinderhondas@Yahoogroups. Com" , anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Friday, July 15, 2011, 12:09 AM
> > �
> > Kev
> > I don't know why this is a discussion, Honda put a coat of clear on the cases when these engines were new.  Much of it burned off over the years, or was cleaned off with bead blasting or solvents like carb cleaner.  Owners of low mileage cars can attest to this as it will look yellowed.  Bare metal will oxidize, stain and corrode over time creating an even worse cooling surface.  Aluminum exfoliates due largely to bimetallic corrosion, so plating your steel bolts, covering the exposed surfaces is necessary protection.
> > The running temp of the oil on an engine gets to about 190 degrees, the cylinder head temp is at about 350 degrees under the plugs.  That's on both painted and unpainted engines.  I know this because I have installed gages on my cars over the years and this is what is indicated.  This means it's not that critical.  What is critical is the internal parts of the engine.  Warn parts will have more heat than like new.  Observing the tolerances as described in the Honda factory manuals will keep your engine cooler and running longer.  Having a clean like new engine on the outside like you do with the mechanical parts on the inside is something every owner should have as a goal.
> > Bill
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From:
> > > anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com] > > > On Behalf Of > > > Kevin Lister > > > Sent:
> > > Thursday, July 14, 2011 4:48 PM
> > > To:
> > > anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject:
> > > Re: [anzhonda600owners] RE: [2cylinderhondas] High temp spray paint
> > > You can disagree if you want but laminar air flow across a bare metal surface is always preferable to a painted metal for dumping heat. I've heard of hi-tech ceramic coatings that can be put on metal to aid in removing heat but this is expensive and I'm not convincded that it will make a huge difference in shedding heat. I wouldn't just believe in the all of the various claims of paints aiding in shedding heat. I'm just not convinced that coating the barrel is a good idea. It is really best to keep the metal fins clean and free of oil and dirt build up. YMMV.
> > > Check out the Black Body Emitter (BBE) coating at Swaintech.
> > > Are there any physicists or materials engineers on the group? What do you think?
> > > --- On
> > > Wed, 7/13/11, billmyong@...
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > > > From: billmyong@...
> > > > Subject: [anzhonda600owners] RE: [2cylinderhondas] High temp spray paint > > > > To: billmyong@..., "Anzhonda600owners@Yahoogroups. Com" , 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com > > > > Date: Wednesday, July 13, 2011, 11:24 PM
> > > > �
> > > > > Disagree, Hirsch Automotive has a paint I like to use on all exterior parts Empt-16A, they call it Space Age Bright Aluminum.  An 1800 degree formula withstanding all weather conditions.  It does not fully cure until the engine heats up.  I have one engine that is 10 years since painting and it still looks fresh.    I have noticed no over heating.  See a picture of one in the ANZhonda600owners group site, the last page photo album.
> > > > > Bill
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From:
> > > > > > 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com [mailto:2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com] > > > > > > On Behalf Of > > > > > > Kevin Lister > > > > > > Sent:
> > > > > > Tuesday, July 12, 2011 2:16 PM
> > > > > > To:
> > > > > > 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > Subject:
> > > > > > Re: [2cylinderhondas] High temp spray paint
> > > > > > Johnny,
> > > > > > What are you planning to paint?
> > > > > > I wouldn't paint the cylinder as paint on that can hinder the cooling process.
> > > > > > kev
> > > > > > --- On
> > > > > > Tue, 7/12/11, johnny.siu@...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > From: johnny.siu@...
> > > > > > > Subject: [2cylinderhondas] High temp spray paint > > > > > > > To: 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, July 12, 2011, 2:11 PM
> > > > > > > I want to clean up my engine and spray paint it.
> > > > > > > Can anyone recommend a good high temperate sliver/chrome spray paint?
> > > > > > > many thx

[Kevin Lister]

I've actually used that on steel engine blocks and it worked well. There are a bunch of good engine paints out there. ;o)
kev

--- On
Fri, 7/15/11, JOHN BURKHIMER

wrote:
From: JOHN BURKHIMER
Subject: RE: [anzhonda600owners] RE: [2cylinderhondas] High temp spray paint To: anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, July 15, 2011, 2:49 PM
Has anybody had any luck with Rustoleum high heat paint?
--- On
Fri, 7/15/11, Kevin Lister

wrote:
> From: Kevin Lister
> Subject: RE: [anzhonda600owners] RE: [2cylinderhondas] High temp spray paint > To: anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, July 15, 2011, 2:52 PM
> We aren't talking about the cases. We're talking about the cylinder barrel. That's the part that gets really hot and requires a lot of laminar airflow. Painting the cases is fine.
> Bimetallic corrosion is a real issue but you still need moisture for it to be a serious problem. Lot's of things are built with dissimilar metals and they last forever as long as there is no real moisture involved.
> I'm ok with you having your own opinion and I'm also ok with us not agreeing. Having a discussion is what discussion boards are all about. ;o)
> kev
> --- On
> Fri, 7/15/11, billmyong@...
>
> wrote:
> > From: billmyong@...
> > Subject: RE: [anzhonda600owners] RE: [2cylinderhondas] High temp spray paint > > To: "2cylinderhondas@Yahoogroups. Com" , anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Friday, July 15, 2011, 12:09 AM
> > �
> > Kev
> > I don't know why this is a discussion, Honda put a coat of clear on the cases when these engines were new.  Much of it burned off over the years, or was cleaned off with bead blasting or solvents like carb cleaner.  Owners of low mileage cars can attest to this as it will look yellowed.  Bare metal will oxidize, stain and corrode over time creating an even worse cooling surface.  Aluminum exfoliates due largely to bimetallic corrosion, so plating your steel bolts, covering the exposed surfaces is necessary protection.
> > The running temp of the oil on an engine gets to about 190 degrees, the cylinder head temp is at about 350 degrees under the plugs.  That's on both painted and unpainted engines.  I know this because I have installed gages on my cars over the years and this is what is indicated.  This means it's not that critical.  What is critical is the internal parts of the engine.  Warn parts will have more heat than like new.  Observing the tolerances as described in the Honda factory manuals will keep your engine cooler and running longer.  Having a clean like new engine on the outside like you do with the mechanical parts on the inside is something every owner should have as a goal.
> > Bill
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From:
> > > anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com] > > > On Behalf Of > > > Kevin Lister > > > Sent:
> > > Thursday, July 14, 2011 4:48 PM
> > > To:
> > > anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject:
> > > Re: [anzhonda600owners] RE: [2cylinderhondas] High temp spray paint
> > > You can disagree if you want but laminar air flow across a bare metal surface is always preferable to a painted metal for dumping heat. I've heard of hi-tech ceramic coatings that can be put on metal to aid in removing heat but this is expensive and I'm not convincded that it will make a huge difference in shedding heat. I wouldn't just believe in the all of the various claims of paints aiding in shedding heat. I'm just not convinced that coating the barrel is a good idea. It is really best to keep the metal fins clean and free of oil and dirt build up. YMMV.
> > > Check out the Black Body Emitter (BBE) coating at Swaintech.
> > > Are there any physicists or materials engineers on the group? What do you think?
> > > --- On
> > > Wed, 7/13/11, billmyong@...
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > > > From: billmyong@...
> > > > Subject: [anzhonda600owners] RE: [2cylinderhondas] High temp spray paint > > > > To: billmyong@..., "Anzhonda600owners@Yahoogroups. Com" , 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com > > > > Date: Wednesday, July 13, 2011, 11:24 PM
> > > > �
> > > > > Disagree, Hirsch Automotive has a paint I like to use on all exterior parts Empt-16A, they call it Space Age Bright Aluminum.  An 1800 degree formula withstanding all weather conditions.  It does not fully cure until the engine heats up.  I have one engine that is 10 years since painting and it still looks fresh.    I have noticed no over heating.  See a picture of one in the ANZhonda600owners group site, the last page photo album.
> > > > > Bill
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From:
> > > > > > 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com [mailto:2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com] > > > > > > On Behalf Of > > > > > > Kevin Lister > > > > > > Sent:
> > > > > > Tuesday, July 12, 2011 2:16 PM
> > > > > > To:
> > > > > > 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > Subject:
> > > > > > Re: [2cylinderhondas] High temp spray paint
> > > > > > Johnny,
> > > > > > What are you planning to paint?
> > > > > > I wouldn't paint the cylinder as paint on that can hinder the cooling process.
> > > > > > kev
> > > > > > --- On
> > > > > > Tue, 7/12/11, johnny.siu@...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > From: johnny.siu@...
> > > > > > > Subject: [2cylinderhondas] High temp spray paint > > > > > > > To: 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, July 12, 2011, 2:11 PM
> > > > > > > I want to clean up my engine and spray paint it.
> > > > > > > Can anyone recommend a good high temperate sliver/chrome spray paint?
> > > > > > > many thx

[friend]

Some clarity in that line of thinking;
All cars come over in Roll on Roll off / enclosed ships, (they started way before Honda shipped cars) there is more salt from driving them onto the docks then on the trip over.  NAPA, AUTO ZONE, CHECKER to name a few all sell dozens of cans of engine spray paint.  And according to what your saying they are scamming all of us, because none of them say "Caution!
Don't spray paint Air-cooled cylinder fins, it may cause over heating".
Edelbrock coats their metal with a durashine system that never needs polishing, not to mention companies like Eastwood that promote preservation products which include engine coatings.  And one other point "If it is such a hindrance to cooling why are radiators painted?"
The only thing that lessens the cooling effect of air cooled fin assemblies is if it (paint) is applied to a thickness which will make the surface smooth.  Even then it is minimal.
Paint your engines, keep them clean, take pride in having a unique car with a new looking engine that will last.
Bill

> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com [mailto:2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com] > On > Behalf Of > theenginebuilder > Sent:
> Saturday, July 16, 2011 2:44
> PM
> To:
> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> Subject:
> Re:
> [anzhonda600owners] RE: [2cylinderhondas] High temp spray > paint
> Group,
> The clear coating was done at the factory to protect the aluminum > parts from corrosion on the boat ride over. Yes, it turns yellow with age and > heat. From a thermal standpoint though bare aluminum cools better than coated > or painted. Keep it clean from oil and grease though. It will hold in a great > deal of heat. Unless you're running your engine hard you can coat it with > whatever you want. If you're going to make more power and race it then leave > it naked!.
> Just my 40+ years of experience building engines
> professionally.
> Bruce
> --- In
> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> ,
> wrote:
> > Kev
> > I don't know
> why this is a discussion, Honda put a coat of clear on the cases when these > engines were new. Much of it burned off over the years, or was cleaned off > with bead blasting or solvents like carb cleaner. Owners of low mileage cars > can attest to this as it will look yellowed. Bare metal will oxidize, stain > and corrode over time creating an even worse cooling surface. Aluminum > exfoliates due largely to bimetallic corrosion, so plating your steel bolts, > covering the exposed surfaces is necessary protection.
> > The
> running temp of the oil on an engine gets to about 190 degrees, the cylinder > head temp is at about 350 degrees under the plugs. That's on both painted and > unpainted engines. I know this because I have installed gages on my cars over > the years and this is what is indicated. This means it's not that critical.
> What is critical is the internal parts of the engine. Warn parts will have > more heat than like new. Observing the tolerances as described in the Honda > factory manuals will keep your engine cooler and running longer. Having a > clean like new engine on the outside like you do with the mechanical parts on > the inside is something every owner should have as a goal.
> Bill
> > -----Original
> Message-----
> > From:
> anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:
> anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
> ]On
> Behalf Of Kevin Lister
> > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 4:48 PM
> To:
> anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [anzhonda600owners] RE: [2cylinderhondas] High temp spray > paint
> > You can disagree if you want but
> laminar air flow across a bare metal surface is always preferable to a painted > metal for dumping heat. I've heard of hi-tech ceramic coatings that can be put > on metal to aid in removing heat but this is expensive and I'm not convincded > that it will make a huge difference in shedding heat. I wouldn't just believe > in the all of the various claims of paints aiding in shedding heat. I'm just > not convinced that coating the barrel is a good idea. It is really best to > keep the metal fins clean and free of oil and dirt build up. YMMV.
> > Check out the Black Body Emitter (BBE) coating at Swaintech.
> > Are there any physicists or materials engineers on the group? What do > you think?
> > --- On Wed, 7/13/11, billmyong@...
> wrote:
> > From: billmyong@...
>
> > Subject: [anzhonda600owners] RE:
> [2cylinderhondas] High temp spray paint
> > To: billmyong@...,
> "Anzhonda600owners@Yahoogroups. Com" anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
> >,
> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, July 13, 2011, 11:24 PM
> 
> > Disagree, Hirsch Automotive has a paint I like to use on > all exterior parts Empt-16A, they call it Space Age Bright Aluminum. An 1800 > degree formula withstanding all weather conditions. It does not fully cure > until the engine heats up. I have one engine that is 10 years since painting > and it still looks fresh. I have noticed no over heating. See a picture of one > in the ANZhonda600owners group site, the last page photo album.
> > Bill
> > -----Original
> Message-----
> > From:
> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:
> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> ]On
> Behalf Of Kevin Lister
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 2:16 PM
> To:
> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [2cylinderhondas] High temp spray paint
> > Johnny,
> > What are you planning to paint?
> > I wouldn't paint the cylinder as paint on that can hinder the cooling > process.
> > kev
> > --- On Tue, 7/12/11,
> johnny.siu@... wrote:
> > From:
> johnny.siu@...
> > Subject: [2cylinderhondas] High
> temp spray paint
> > To:
> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, July 12, 2011, 2:11 PM
> > I
> want to clean up my engine and spray paint it.
> > Can anyone recommend a
> good high temperate sliver/chrome spray paint?
> > many
> thx

[friend]

�
    Disagree, Hirsch Automotive has a paint I like to use on all exterior parts Empt-16A, they call it Space Age Bright Aluminum.  An 1800 degree formula withstanding all weather conditions.  It does not fully cure until the engine heats up.  I have one engine that is 10 years since painting and it still looks fresh.    I have noticed no over heating.  See a picture of one in the ANZhonda600owners group site, the last page photo album.
Bill

> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com [mailto:2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com] > On > Behalf Of > Kevin Lister > Sent:
> Tuesday, July 12, 2011 2:16
> PM
> To:
> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> Subject:
> Re:
> [2cylinderhondas] High temp spray paint
> Johnny,
> What are you planning to paint?
> I wouldn't paint the cylinder as paint on that can hinder the > cooling process.
> kev
> --- On
> Tue, 7/12/11, johnny.siu@...
>
> wrote:
> > From:
> > johnny.siu@...
> > Subject:
> > [2cylinderhondas] High temp spray paint
> > To:
> > 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Tuesday, July 12, 2011, 2:11
> > PM
> > I want to clean up my engine and spray paint it.
> > Can anyone
> > recommend a good high temperate sliver/chrome spray paint?
> > many
> > thx

[Dave Rulez]

Im of the mind that most current motorcycle manufacturers sell bikes with completely painted engines, if this is such a potential problem why would they do it? Just my .02
Dave

--- In
anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
, wrote:
> Disagree, Hirsch Automotive has a paint I like to use on all exterior parts Empt-16A, they call it Space Age Bright Aluminum. An 1800 degree formula withstanding all weather conditions. It does not fully cure until the engine heats up. I have one engine that is 10 years since painting and it still looks fresh. I have noticed no over heating. See a picture of one in the ANZhonda600owners group site, the last page photo album.
> Bill
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
]On Behalf Of Kevin Lister
> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 2:16 PM
> To:
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [2cylinderhondas] High temp spray paint
> Johnny,
> What are you planning to paint?
> I wouldn't paint the cylinder as paint on that can hinder the cooling process.
> kev
> --- On Tue, 7/12/11, johnny.siu@... wrote:
> From: johnny.siu@...
> Subject: [2cylinderhondas] High temp spray paint
> To:
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, July 12, 2011, 2:11 PM
> I want to clean up my engine and spray paint it.
> Can anyone recommend a good high temperate sliver/chrome spray paint?
> many thx

[JOHN BURKHIMER]

has anybody tried the Rustoleum High Heat Paint?  results?
john

--- On
Thu, 7/14/11, billmyong@...

wrote:
From: billmyong@...
Subject: [anzhonda600owners] RE: [2cylinderhondas] High temp spray paint To: billmyong@..., "Anzhonda600owners@Yahoogroups. Com" , 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, July 14, 2011, 2:24 AM
�
> Disagree, Hirsch Automotive has a paint I like to use on all exterior parts Empt-16A, they call it Space Age Bright Aluminum.  An 1800 degree formula withstanding all weather conditions.  It does not fully cure until the engine heats up.  I have one engine that is 10 years since painting and it still looks fresh.    I have noticed no over heating.  See a picture of one in the ANZhonda600owners group site, the last page photo album.
> Bill
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:
> > 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com [mailto:2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com] > > On Behalf Of > > Kevin Lister > > Sent:
> > Tuesday, July 12, 2011 2:16 PM
> > To:
> > 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject:
> > Re: [2cylinderhondas] High temp spray paint
> > Johnny,
> > What are you planning to paint?
> > I wouldn't paint the cylinder as paint on that can hinder the cooling process.
> > kev
> > --- On
> > Tue, 7/12/11, johnny.siu@...
> >
> > wrote:
> > > From: johnny.siu@...
> > > Subject: [2cylinderhondas] High temp spray paint
> > > To: 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Tuesday, July 12, 2011, 2:11 PM
> > > I want to clean up my engine and spray paint it.
> > > Can anyone recommend a good high temperate sliver/chrome spray paint?
> > > many thx