Hello, The engine of my Z600 makes a strange noise.
Someone is able to discover in question?
Thank you very much and sorry for my English. Use the translator
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rC-UFEyo ... load_owner
Engine noise
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Eric Geiger
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Re: Engine noise
It sounds like my engine did before I had it fully rebuilt. Rod knock.
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Eric Geiger
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Egeiger@...
On Apr 29, 2014, at 11:15 AM, "
tonipereztf@...
" wrote:
Hello,
The engine of my Z600 makes a strange noise.
Someone is able to discover in question?
Thank you very much and sorry for my English. Use the translator
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rC-UFEyo ... load_owner
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Mark P Hatten
- Posts: 263
- Joined: Fri Sep 17, 2010 12:55 am
Re: Engine noise
Yes, I would say noisy crankshaft, same diagnosis though, probably needs a rebuild
The 2014 National Microcar Show is at www.gpnwmme.com and is sponsored by www.mphspecialties.com
To: 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com CC: 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com From: egeiger@...
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 16:20:15 +0000 Subject: Re: [2cylinderhondas] Engine noise
It sounds like my engine did before I had it fully rebuilt. Rod knock.
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Eric Geiger
PRG-Nocturne
XXX-XXX-XXXX
Egeiger@...
The 2014 National Microcar Show is at www.gpnwmme.com and is sponsored by www.mphspecialties.com
To: 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com CC: 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com From: egeiger@...
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 16:20:15 +0000 Subject: Re: [2cylinderhondas] Engine noise
It sounds like my engine did before I had it fully rebuilt. Rod knock.
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Eric Geiger
PRG-Nocturne
XXX-XXX-XXXX
Egeiger@...
On Apr 29, 2014, at 11:15 AM, "
tonipereztf@...
" wrote:
Hello,
The engine of my Z600 makes a strange noise.
Someone is able to discover in question?
Thank you very much and sorry for my English. Use the translator
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rC-UFEyo ... load_owner
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Mark P Hatten
- Posts: 263
- Joined: Fri Sep 17, 2010 12:55 am
Crankshaft Engine Noise
Just as a side note. Not trying to upsell this poor guy.
I'm planning to list a VERY-VERY nice used Honda 600 N or Z Crankshaft on E-Bay soon. I'd rather sell to a member or enthusiast . $350. plus shipping. I will post the link here when I do.
Mark
The 2014 National Microcar Show is at www.gpnwmme.com and is sponsored by www.mphspecialties.com
To: 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com From: mphatten@...
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 16:23:45 +0000 Subject: RE: [2cylinderhondas] Engine noise
Yes, I would say noisy crankshaft, same diagnosis though, probably needs a rebuild
The 2014 National Microcar Show is at www.gpnwmme.com and is sponsored by www.mphspecialties.com
To: 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com CC: 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com From: egeiger@...
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 16:20:15 +0000 Subject: Re: [2cylinderhondas] Engine noise
It sounds like my engine did before I had it fully rebuilt. Rod knock.
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Eric Geiger
PRG-Nocturne
XXX-XXX-XXXX
Egeiger@...
I'm planning to list a VERY-VERY nice used Honda 600 N or Z Crankshaft on E-Bay soon. I'd rather sell to a member or enthusiast . $350. plus shipping. I will post the link here when I do.
Mark
The 2014 National Microcar Show is at www.gpnwmme.com and is sponsored by www.mphspecialties.com
To: 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com From: mphatten@...
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 16:23:45 +0000 Subject: RE: [2cylinderhondas] Engine noise
Yes, I would say noisy crankshaft, same diagnosis though, probably needs a rebuild
The 2014 National Microcar Show is at www.gpnwmme.com and is sponsored by www.mphspecialties.com
To: 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com CC: 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com From: egeiger@...
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 16:20:15 +0000 Subject: Re: [2cylinderhondas] Engine noise
It sounds like my engine did before I had it fully rebuilt. Rod knock.
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Eric Geiger
PRG-Nocturne
XXX-XXX-XXXX
Egeiger@...
On Apr 29, 2014, at 11:15 AM, "
tonipereztf@...
" wrote:
Hello,
The engine of my Z600 makes a strange noise.
Someone is able to discover in question?
Thank you very much and sorry for my English. Use the translator
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rC-UFEyo ... load_owner
Re: Engine noise
When I listen to the audio, I am hearing a rattle which seems to have a frequency which is drifting around your engine rpm. That seems odd if the problem is in the crank, connecting rod, or valvetrain area.
Here are the things I would check before deciding if I needed to disassemble the engine;
1. heat exchanger; when you are standing in front of the car and looking down on the engine, you will see the heat exchanger on the right side. The pipes from the exhaust manifold connect to it.
Remove the rubber tube which goes between the heat exchanger and the blower next to it. Looking into the heat exchanger, you will see a bunch of fins. Those fins should should not move and there should be no loose metal inside this chamber. If the fins loosen from the pipe, they will make a sound similar to what I am hearing on your audiio.
2. rocker arms: remove the valve cover from the top of the engine and inspect all the rocker arms. When the engine is warmed up, you should feel almost no free play between the rocker arm and the camshaft or the valve. Look at the condition of the camshaft lobes. They should look bring and shiny with no craters or rough spots.
3. fan housing: the fan housing should be attached tight against the engine. If you feel any movement, it can cause a rattle. You could also disconnect the fan belt from the main pulley and start the motor. If the problem disappears when you start the engine, then you have located the area of the problem.
4. crankshaft: if the crank has a problem, the repair is going to be costly. You can use an engine stethoscope (available at auto parts stores and Harbor Freight .....mine cost lest than $10) or a long metal rod to listen to your engine. When you go though the engine cooling fins and listen to each cylinder barrel you can determine in which area of the engine the problem occurs. You could also do an engine oil analysis and a high iron content indicates a major problem which will require a crank replacement. You could also look at your oil filter and if you see any metal particles, the problem is very serious.
Good luck and hoping the problem is not with the crankshaft,
Dale
Here are the things I would check before deciding if I needed to disassemble the engine;
1. heat exchanger; when you are standing in front of the car and looking down on the engine, you will see the heat exchanger on the right side. The pipes from the exhaust manifold connect to it.
Remove the rubber tube which goes between the heat exchanger and the blower next to it. Looking into the heat exchanger, you will see a bunch of fins. Those fins should should not move and there should be no loose metal inside this chamber. If the fins loosen from the pipe, they will make a sound similar to what I am hearing on your audiio.
2. rocker arms: remove the valve cover from the top of the engine and inspect all the rocker arms. When the engine is warmed up, you should feel almost no free play between the rocker arm and the camshaft or the valve. Look at the condition of the camshaft lobes. They should look bring and shiny with no craters or rough spots.
3. fan housing: the fan housing should be attached tight against the engine. If you feel any movement, it can cause a rattle. You could also disconnect the fan belt from the main pulley and start the motor. If the problem disappears when you start the engine, then you have located the area of the problem.
4. crankshaft: if the crank has a problem, the repair is going to be costly. You can use an engine stethoscope (available at auto parts stores and Harbor Freight .....mine cost lest than $10) or a long metal rod to listen to your engine. When you go though the engine cooling fins and listen to each cylinder barrel you can determine in which area of the engine the problem occurs. You could also do an engine oil analysis and a high iron content indicates a major problem which will require a crank replacement. You could also look at your oil filter and if you see any metal particles, the problem is very serious.
Good luck and hoping the problem is not with the crankshaft,
Dale
> Hello,
> The engine of my Z600 makes a strange noise.
> Someone is able to discover in question?
> Thank you very much and sorry for my English. Use
> the translator
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rC-UFEyo ... load_owner
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Toni Perez
- Posts: 5
- Joined: Tue Apr 29, 2014 7:11 am
Re: Engine noise
Firstly thank you very much for your email and sorry for my English. I only speak Spanish.
1., This model has no heat exchanger. That is not the problem.
2 fan cooler has all new rollers and is secure. Nor is this the problem.
I will check the state of the rockers.
I hope the crank is good because in Spain there is zero parts.
Thank you very much again.
Toni Perez
El Martes, 29 de abril, 2014 6:45 P.M., "goinhm@..." escribi�:
When I listen to the audio, I am hearing a rattle which seems to have a frequency which is drifting around your engine rpm. That seems odd if the problem is in the crank, connecting rod, or valvetrain area.
Here are the things I would check before deciding if I needed to disassemble the engine;
1. heat exchanger; when you are standing in front of the car and looking down on the engine, you will see the heat exchanger on the right side. The pipes from the exhaust manifold connect to it.
Remove the rubber tube which goes between the heat exchanger and the blower next to it. Looking into the heat exchanger, you will see a bunch of fins. Those fins should should not move and there should be no loose metal inside this chamber. If the fins loosen from the pipe, they will make a sound similar to what I am hearing on your audiio.
2. rocker arms: remove the valve cover from the top of the engine and inspect all the rocker arms. When the engine is warmed up, you should feel almost no free play between the rocker arm and the camshaft or the valve. Look at the condition of the camshaft lobes. They should look bring and shiny with no craters or rough spots.
3. fan housing: the fan housing should be attached tight against the engine. If you feel any movement, it can cause a rattle. You could also disconnect the fan belt from the main pulley and start the motor. If the problem disappears when you start the engine, then you have located the area of the problem.
4. crankshaft: if the crank has a problem, the repair is going to be costly. You can use an engine stethoscope (available at auto parts stores and Harbor Freight .....mine cost lest than $10) or a long metal rod to listen to your engine. When you go though the engine cooling fins and listen to each cylinder barrel you can determine in which area of the engine the problem occurs. You could also do an engine oil analysis and a high iron content indicates a major problem which will require a crank replacement. You could also look at your oil filter and if you see any metal particles, the problem is very serious.
Good luck and hoping the problem is not with the crankshaft,
Dale
1., This model has no heat exchanger. That is not the problem.
2 fan cooler has all new rollers and is secure. Nor is this the problem.
I will check the state of the rockers.
I hope the crank is good because in Spain there is zero parts.
Thank you very much again.
Toni Perez
El Martes, 29 de abril, 2014 6:45 P.M., "goinhm@..." escribi�:
When I listen to the audio, I am hearing a rattle which seems to have a frequency which is drifting around your engine rpm. That seems odd if the problem is in the crank, connecting rod, or valvetrain area.
Here are the things I would check before deciding if I needed to disassemble the engine;
1. heat exchanger; when you are standing in front of the car and looking down on the engine, you will see the heat exchanger on the right side. The pipes from the exhaust manifold connect to it.
Remove the rubber tube which goes between the heat exchanger and the blower next to it. Looking into the heat exchanger, you will see a bunch of fins. Those fins should should not move and there should be no loose metal inside this chamber. If the fins loosen from the pipe, they will make a sound similar to what I am hearing on your audiio.
2. rocker arms: remove the valve cover from the top of the engine and inspect all the rocker arms. When the engine is warmed up, you should feel almost no free play between the rocker arm and the camshaft or the valve. Look at the condition of the camshaft lobes. They should look bring and shiny with no craters or rough spots.
3. fan housing: the fan housing should be attached tight against the engine. If you feel any movement, it can cause a rattle. You could also disconnect the fan belt from the main pulley and start the motor. If the problem disappears when you start the engine, then you have located the area of the problem.
4. crankshaft: if the crank has a problem, the repair is going to be costly. You can use an engine stethoscope (available at auto parts stores and Harbor Freight .....mine cost lest than $10) or a long metal rod to listen to your engine. When you go though the engine cooling fins and listen to each cylinder barrel you can determine in which area of the engine the problem occurs. You could also do an engine oil analysis and a high iron content indicates a major problem which will require a crank replacement. You could also look at your oil filter and if you see any metal particles, the problem is very serious.
Good luck and hoping the problem is not with the crankshaft,
Dale
> Hello,
> The engine of my Z600 makes a strange noise.
> Someone is able to discover in question?
> Thank you very much and sorry for my English. Use
> the translator
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rC-UFEyo ... load_owner
Re: Engine noise
Toni;
Dale is corrrect on the Mechanics Stethoscope, it's been a part of my tool box for many years. But you have to use it correctly, hold it by the metal rod and not the plastic collector at the top of the metal rod. And if one is not available, a long screw driver held to the ear and touching the area you want to check will also give some indication of where the sound is coming from. The key is to remove doubt - Go to the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JDhEwMS_Us
Bill
Dale is corrrect on the Mechanics Stethoscope, it's been a part of my tool box for many years. But you have to use it correctly, hold it by the metal rod and not the plastic collector at the top of the metal rod. And if one is not available, a long screw driver held to the ear and touching the area you want to check will also give some indication of where the sound is coming from. The key is to remove doubt - Go to the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JDhEwMS_Us
Bill
Re: Engine noise
before I had my Mechanics Stethoscope I use a dowel pin and it worked well but the stethoscope works so much better. if the noise is coming from the out side you can put a piece of copper tubing instead of the stethoscope and use it to find outside of the motor noises.
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> RE: [2cylinderhondas] Engine noise
> Toni;
> Dale is corrrect on the
> Mechanics Stethoscope, it's been a part of my tool box for many years.
> But you have to use it correctly, hold it by the metal rod and not the plastic > collector at the top of the metal rod. And if one is not available, a > long screw driver held to the ear and touching the area you want to check will > also give some indication of where the sound is coming from. The key is > to remove doubt - Go to the video > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JDhEwMS_Us
> Bill
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> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
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> On Behalf Of
> Toni
> Perez
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> Tuesday, April 29, 2014 3:12 PM
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> Subject:
> Re: [2cylinderhondas]
> Engine noise
> Firstly thank you very much for your email and sorry for my English. I > only speak Spanish.
> 1., This model has no heat exchanger. That is not the problem.
> 2 fan cooler has all new rollers and is secure. Nor is this the > problem.
> I will check the state of the rockers.
> I hope the crank is good because in Spain there is zero parts.
> Thank you very much again.
> Toni Perez
> El Martes, 29 de abril, 2014 6:45
> P.M., "goinhm@..." escribi�:
> When I listen to the audio, I am hearing a rattle which seems to > have a frequency which is drifting around your engine rpm. That seems > odd if the problem is in the crank, connecting rod, or valvetrain > area. Here are the things I would check before deciding if I needed to > disassemble the engine;
> 1. heat exchanger; when you are standing in front of the > car and looking down on the engine, you will see the heat exchanger on > the right side. The pipes from the exhaust manifold connect to it.
> Remove the rubber tube which goes between the heat exchanger and > the blower next to it. Looking into the heat exchanger, you will > see a bunch of fins. Those fins should should not move and there should > be no loose metal inside this chamber. If the fins loosen from the > pipe, they will make a sound similar to what I am hearing on your > audiio.
> 2. rocker arms: remove the valve cover from the top of the > engine and inspect all the rocker arms. When the engine is warmed > up, you should feel almost no free play between the rocker arm and the > camshaft or the valve. Look at the condition of the camshaft > lobes. They should look bring and shiny with no craters or rough > spots.
> 3. fan housing: the fan housing should be attached tight > against the engine. If you feel any movement, it can cause a > rattle. You could also disconnect the fan belt from the main pulley and > start the motor. If the problem disappears when you start the > engine, then you have located the area of the problem.
> 4. crankshaft: if the crank has a problem, the
> repair is going to be costly. You can use an engine stethoscope > (available at auto parts stores and Harbor Freight .....mine cost lest than > $10) or a long metal rod to listen to your engine. When you go though > the engine cooling fins and listen to each cylinder barrel you can determine > in which area of the engine the problem occurs. You could also do > an engine oil analysis and a high iron content indicates a major problem which > will require a crank replacement. You could also look at your oil > filter and if you see any metal particles, the problem is very > serious.
> Good luck and hoping the problem is not with the crankshaft,
> Dale
> > Hello,
> > The engine of my Z600 makes a strange noise.
> > Someone is able to discover in question?
> > Thank
> > you very much and sorry for my English. Use the translator
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rC-UFEyo ... load_owner
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tonipereztf
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Re: Engine noise
I hope to find the source of the noise. Problem here is to find parts. Be no cars here. I have the only one in Spain.