Engine Question

zayjspeed · Post by **zayjspeed** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 12:32 pm

What you seek is not approved! they would have you split the cases! yes it is all out there at your local Honda Motorcycle Shop or on line @ powersedge.com or K&L.com under "Cam Chain & Master link" should be 116 link P.N.12-8116 & 12-0409 master link for K&L. Cross ref. #,s to Honda Motorcycle part # and model / year bike to use that source (hint CB400 or many other with same part #). Go ahead just 1 person ask and I will post compleat "How To Do It" Zay Speed Motorcycle style It's long!
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--- In
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
, goinhm@... wrote:
> What you have described is how it is done. Honda used to sell a cam chain
> which was split and included a master link. You would cut the old chain,
> attach the new chain, cycle it through manually, and then attach the
> master link. Then you would setup the mechanical timing.
> You are on the right track.
> Good luck,
> Dale
> I have an older computer and could not read the file on the cam chain
> change. Has anyone ever replaced the cam chain with the engine not torn down?
> It looks like it could be done by attaching the new chain to the old and
> drawing the new chain into the engine. Then the two ends could be joined by
> spinning the rivet.

Charles m · Post by **Charles m** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 12:48 pm

Interesting,
The cam chain for my 1967 S800 is split as shown in the maintence manual and has a master link. Why would it not be ok for a honda two cylinder engine?
CM
To: 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
From: zayspeed@...
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 20:32:32 +0000
Subject: [2cylinderhondas] Re: Engine Question
What you seek is not approved! they would have you split the cases! yes it is all out there at your local Honda Motorcycle Shop or on line @ powersedge.com or K&L.com under "Cam Chain & Master link" should be 116 link P.N.12-8116 & 12-0409 master link for K&L. Cross ref. #,s to Honda Motorcycle part # and model / year bike to use that source (hint CB400 or many other with same part #). Go ahead just 1 person ask and I will post compleat "How To Do It" Zay Speed Motorcycle style It's long!
:::::::::::: ::::::::Zay

--- In
2cylinderhondas@ yahoogroups. com
, goinhm@... wrote:
> What you have described is how it is done. Honda used to sell a cam chain > which was split and included a master link. You would cut the old chain, > attach the new chain, cycle it through manually, and then attach the > master link. Then you would setup the mechanical timing.
> You are on the right track.
> Good luck,
> Dale
> I have an older computer and could not read the file on the cam chain > change. Has anyone ever replaced the cam chain with the engine not torn down?
> It looks like it could be done by attaching the new chain to the old and > drawing the new chain into the engine. Then the two ends could be joined by > spinning the rivet.

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friend · Post by **friend** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 2:34 pm

Honda had both, full chain and split. there are a couple of chains that can be adapted by shortening them. Miles has one and I have another and I am sure there are others. The chain comes as one full chain. The split links have to be purchased separately. Taking a few links out is part of creating the needed cam chain.
Bill

> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com [mailto:2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com] > On > Behalf Of > Charles M > Sent:
> Sunday, November 01, 2009 12:49
> PM
> To:
> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> Subject:
> RE:
> [2cylinderhondas] Re: Engine Question
> Interesting,
> The cam chain for my 1967 S800 is split as shown in the
> maintence manual and has a master link. Why would it not be ok for a honda two > cylinder engine?
> CM
> To: 2cylinderhondas@ yahoogroups. com
> From:
> zayspeed@msn. com
> Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 20:32:32 +0000
> Subject:
> [2cylinderhondas] Re: Engine Question
> What you seek is not approved! they would have you split
> the cases! yes it is all out there at your local Honda Motorcycle Shop or on > line @ powersedge.com or K&L.com under "Cam Chain & Master link" > should be 116 link P.N.12-8116 & 12-0409 master link for K&L. Cross > ref. #,s to Honda Motorcycle part # and model / year bike to use that source > (hint CB400 or many other with same part #). Go ahead just 1 person ask and I > will post compleat "How To Do It" Zay Speed Motorcycle style It's > long!
> :::::::::::: ::::::::Zay
> --- In
> 2cylinderhondas@ yahoogroups. com
> ,
> goinhm@... wrote:
> > What you have described is how it is done.
> Honda used to sell a cam chain
> > which was split and included a master
> link. You would cut the old chain,
> > attach the new chain, cycle it
> through manually, and then attach the
> > master link. Then you would
> setup the mechanical timing.
> > You are on the right track.
> > Good luck,
> > Dale
> > I have an older
> computer and could not read the file on the cam chain
> > change. Has
> anyone ever replaced the cam chain with the engine not torn down?
> > It
> looks like it could be done by attaching the new chain to the old and
> drawing the new chain into the engine. Then the two ends could be joined by
> > spinning the rivet.
> Bing brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place.
> Try it now.

Mark Kuran · Post by **Mark Kuran** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 2:58 pm

Would I be correct in saying that if a timing chain is worn and maybe rattling, that the guides, rollers and possibly tensioner would be worn too or is it possible that just the chain is worn?
Mark.

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> Subject:
> RE: [2cylinderhondas] Re: Engine
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> Honda had both, full chain and split. there are
> a couple of chains that can be adapted by shortening them. Miles has one > and I have another and I am sure there are others. The chain > comes as one full chain. The split links have to be purchased > separately. Taking a few links out is part of creating the needed cam > chain.
> Bill
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:
> > 2cylinderhondas@ yahoogroups. com
> > [mailto:2cylinderho ndas@yahoogroups .com]
> > On Behalf Of
> > Charles M
> > Sent:
> > Sunday, November 01, 2009 12:49
> > PM
> > To:
> > 2cylinderhondas@ yahoogroups. com
> > Subject:
> > RE:
> > [2cylinderhondas] Re: Engine
> > Question
> > Interesting,
> > The cam chain for my 1967 S800 is split as shown in the
> > maintence manual and has a master link. Why would it not be ok for a honda > > two cylinder engine?
> > CM
> > To: 2cylinderhondas@ yahoogroups. com
> > From:
> > zayspeed@msn. com
> > Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 20:32:32 +0000
> > Subject:
> > [2cylinderhondas] Re: Engine Question
> > What you seek is not approved! they would have you
> > split the cases! yes it is all out there at your local Honda Motorcycle Shop > > or on line @ powersedge.com or K&L.com under "Cam Chain & Master > > link" should be 116 link P.N.12-8116 & 12-0409 master link for K&L.
> > Cross ref. #,s to Honda Motorcycle part # and model / year bike to use that > > source (hint CB400 or many other with same part #). Go ahead just 1 person > > ask and I will post compleat "How To Do It" Zay Speed Motorcycle style It's > > long!
> > :::::::::::: ::::::::Zay
> > --- In
> > 2cylinderhondas@ yahoogroups. com
> > ,
> > goinhm@... wrote:
> > > What you have described is how it is done.
> > Honda used to sell a cam chain
> > > which was split and included a
> > master link. You would cut the old chain,
> > > attach the new chain,
> > cycle it through manually, and then attach the
> > > master link. Then
> > you would setup the mechanical timing.
> > > You are on the right
> > track.
> > > Good luck,
> > > Dale
> > > I have an
> > older computer and could not read the file on the cam chain > > > change.
> > Has anyone ever replaced the cam chain with the engine not torn down?
> > > It looks like it could be done by attaching the new chain to the > > old and > > > drawing the new chain into the engine. Then the two ends > > could be joined by > > > spinning the rivet.
> > Bing brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place.
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Charles m · Post by **Charles m** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 3:03 pm

If it were me I would change the rollers and the chain. Especially if you do not know the condition of the rollers as more damage will occur and the cost for repair will be higher.
CM
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friend · Post by **friend** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 3:37 pm

Charles;
So right you are, and by no means would a new chain be a fix-all if other parts have wear. A flash light can give some light on how good the rollers are. But, if everything looks good, this is a maintenance action that should be done at least every 45K. Heat will destroy the rubber components on the insides of the engine. Rubber is no different from the oil it is a compound of, and both can be damaged by heat. And, not to beat this drum again, but this is why it is so important to keep clean oil in your engine and keep your engine cool.

> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com [mailto:2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com] > On > Behalf Of > Charles M > Sent:
> Sunday, November 01, 2009 3:04
> PM
> To:
> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> Subject:
> RE:
> [2cylinderhondas] Re: Engine Question
> If it were me I would change the rollers and the chain. Especially if you > do not know the condition of the rollers as more damage will occur and the > cost for repair will be higher.
> CM
> To: 2cylinderhondas@ yahoogroups. com
> From:
> kuran@optusnet. com.au
> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 09:57:53 +1100
> Subject:
> Re: [2cylinderhondas] Re: Engine Question
> Would I be correct in saying that if a timing chain is
> worn and maybe rattling, that the guides, rollers and possibly tensioner would > be worn too or is it possible that just the chain is worn?
> Mark.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From:
> > billmyong@earthlink .net
> > To:
> > 2cylinderhondas
> > ;
> > Anzhonda600owners
> > Sent:
> > Monday, November 02, 2009 9:37
> > AM
> > Subject:
> > RE: [2cylinderhondas] Re:
> > Engine Question
> > Honda had both, full chain and split.
> > there are a couple of chains that can be adapted by shortening them.
> > Miles has one and I have another and I am sure there are others. The > > chain comes as one full chain. The split links have to be > > purchased separately. Taking a few links out is part of creating the > > needed cam chain.
> > Bill
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From:
> > > 2cylinderhondas@ yahoogroups. com
> > > [mailto:2cylinderho ndas@yahoogroups .com]
> > > On Behalf Of
> > > Charles M
> > > Sent:
> > > Sunday, November 01, 2009 12:49
> > > PM
> > > To:
> > > 2cylinderhondas@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Subject:
> > > RE:
> > > [2cylinderhondas] Re: Engine
> > > Question
> > > Interesting,
> > > The cam chain for my 1967 S800 is split as shown in the > > > maintence manual and has a master link. Why would it not be ok for a honda > > > two cylinder engine?
> > > CM
> > > To: 2cylinderhondas@ yahoogroups. com
> > > From:
> > > zayspeed@msn. com
> > > Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 20:32:32 +0000
> > > Subject:
> > > [2cylinderhondas] Re: Engine Question
> > > What you seek is not approved! they would have you
> > > split the cases! yes it is all out there at your local Honda Motorcycle > > > Shop or on line @ powersedge.com or K&L.com under "Cam Chain & > > > Master link" should be 116 link P.N.12-8116 & 12-0409 master link for > > > K&L. Cross ref. #,s to Honda Motorcycle part # and model / year bike > > > to use that source (hint CB400 or many other with same part #). Go ahead > > > just 1 person ask and I will post compleat "How To Do It" Zay Speed > > > Motorcycle style It's long!
> > > :::::::::::: ::::::::Zay
> > > --- In
> > > 2cylinderhondas@ yahoogroups. com
> > > ,
> > > goinhm@... wrote:
> > > > What you have described is how it is
> > > done. Honda used to sell a cam chain
> > > > which was split and included
> > > a master link. You would cut the old chain,
> > > > attach the new chain,
> > > cycle it through manually, and then attach the
> > > > master link. Then
> > > you would setup the mechanical timing.
> > > > You are on the
> > > right track.
> > > > Good luck,
> > > > Dale
> > > > I
> > > have an older computer and could not read the file on the cam chain
> > > > change. Has anyone ever replaced the cam chain with the engine > > > not torn down?
> > > > It looks like it could be done by attaching the
> > > new chain to the old and
> > > > drawing the new chain into the engine.
> > > Then the two ends could be joined by
> > > > spinning the
> > > rivet.
> > > Bing brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place.
> > > Try
> > > it now.
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mygto_1999 · Post by **mygto_1999** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 4:14 pm

Finding “new” and not something as used as one the you are removing is a problem. So much seems to wear out for the chain/rollers/rails yet little is available except the nice heavy duty chain Bill C carries.
Mike