RX-7 wheels

[timk11]

Coker bought the molds from Michelin some years ago after Michelin
stopped importing the tires. I looked at the Coker site and that
pattern doesn't look like it would stay on the road with agressive
600 drivers. The Kumhos work swell and extra sticky is the Yokohama
A008's in 165/70 10. Avon's are also around and if you want a wide
variety of mud & snow tires try Mini Mania a mini cooper supplier.
Link is here: http://www.minimania.com/Search_Inventory.cfm
Miles

--- In 2cylinderhondas@y..., "honda600king" wrote:
> --- In 2cylinderhondas@y..., Ellis Holman wrote:
> > Miles,
> > Who's the supply source for the 10" tires? I've a TN360 pickup
that
> I
> > need new tires for.
> > Ellis
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "z600miles"
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 6:45 PM
> > > Subject: [2cylinderhondas] Re: RX-7 wheels vs 10" Tires
> > > > 10" tires are cheap, as a parts retailer I can get them for
> $27.00ea.
> > > > Retail is around $35,
> > (snip)
> Ellis, Miles and All:
> I was pleased to find that Coker Tires is now offering 10"
> Michelins. They are more expensive than the alternatives, but they
> are Michelins...
http://www.coker.com/default2.asp

[h60074145]

I have a brand new set of Yokahama's on custom rims for sale. The tires are 165/70-SR10's and the rims I'm not sure what manufacturer.  When I return from vacation on the 9th I can email pictures if anyone is interested.  Thanks,  Russ

> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> z600miles
> To:
> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> Sent:
> Thursday, August 01, 2002 9:30
> AM
> Subject:
> [2cylinderhondas] Coker's $82ea
> 10"
> Coker bought the molds from Michelin some years ago after
> Michelin
> stopped importing the tires.  I looked at the Coker site and > that > pattern doesn't look like it would stay on the road with agressive
> 600 drivers. The Kumhos work swell and extra sticky is the Yokohama
> A008's in 165/70 10. Avon's are also around and if you want a wide
> variety of mud & snow tires try Mini Mania a mini cooper supplier.
> Link is here:
> http://www.minimania.com/Search_Inventory.cfm
> Miles
> ---
> In 2cylinderhondas@y..., "honda600king" > wrote:
> > --- In 2cylinderhondas@y..., Ellis Holman > wrote:
> > > Miles,
> > > Who's the supply source for the 10"
> tires? I've a TN360 pickup
> that
> > I
> > > need new tires
> for.
> > > Ellis
> > > > -----
> Original Message -----
> > > > From: "z600miles"
>
> > > > To:
>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002
> 6:45 PM
> > > > Subject: [2cylinderhondas] Re: RX-7 wheels vs 10"
> Tires
> > > > > 10" tires are cheap, as a
> parts retailer I can get them for
> > $27.00ea.
> Retail is around $35,
> > > (snip)
> > Ellis, Miles and
> All:
> > I was pleased to find that Coker Tires is now offering 10"
> > Michelins.  They are more expensive than the alternatives, but > they > > are Michelins...
> http://www.coker.com/default2.asp
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[jpro8071]

Thanks for the extra details Miles - I didn't know about the negatives! But it's for Bonneville, so I'm not too worried about the wheel bearings (short course, only a few miles) or the drifting - it's a pretty wide straight course.
I'm curious on the extra load part - how does it cause bearing damage?

--- In 2cylinderhondas@y..., "z600miles" wrote:
> 10" tires are cheap, as a parts retailer I can get them for $27.00ea.
> Retail is around $35, you will probably pay $60ea tire for the Mazda
> wheels for a performance 50 or 60 Series tire, plus wreck your wheel
> bearings twice as fast from the extra load and tweak forces exerted,
> not to mention lower your hill climbing ability and fast
> acceleration. The only benefit to Mazda wheels is 110mph freeway
> speed! Oh. the other problem with running the low pro tires on the 13
> or 12" Mazduh rims is when you hit a bump, it drifts sideways
> rapidly.
> Miles
> --- In 2cylinderhondas@y..., "jpro8071" wrote:
> > Can you send me more details on which tires you installed?
> > Thanks!

[jpro8071]

Actually it was the manufacturer that I needed. The tire guy had spent some time looking through catalogs, but didn't see the ones that were that low profile. Once I got Remington (from a closer look at your pictures - thanks for posting them!) he was able to order up some Dunlops for me. Just perfect!
Thanks again!

--- In 2cylinderhondas@y..., "Dave Kornberg" wrote:
> I don't know what else I can tell you.
> Like I said- the size is 175/50-13.
> Doesn't matter who the manufacturer is.
> For what it's worth, mine are made by Remington.
> What else do you need to know?
> ==========================
> Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 07:43:44 -0000
> From: "jpro8071"
> Subject: Re: RX-7 wheels
> Can you send me more details on which tires you installed?
> Thanks!
> --- In 2cylinderhondas@y..., "Dave Kornberg" wrote:
> > Recently, there was a post regarding replacement wheels for the Honda 600. Mazda RX-7
> > wheels were
> > mentioned as an alternative.
> > I have replaced the stock 10" wheels on my Z-Coupe with early 13" RX-7 wheels.
> > The main reason was because of the cost of 10" tires. (When you can find them).
> > My Z-Coupe's RX-7 wheels use a 175/50-13 low profile tire, which is actually cheaper
> > than a stock 10" tire. (Go figure).
> > Overall diameter of the tire is just 1" more than a stock 10" tire. No rubbing at
> > all. And it helps keep the RPMs down a bit when cruising the freeway at 75 mph.
> > The width of the tire looks pretty aggressive when mounted on the tiny Honda. They
> > just barely stick out from the side of the wheel wells.
> > The wheels I have are the stock RX-7 type. There was another optional RX-7 wheel that
> > I think looks even better.
> > I have posted pictures of the car at:
http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/2c ... hondas/lst
> > Dave Kornberg
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[isettajoe]

Do RX-7 wheel have the same bolt pattern and spacing as our 600s or
do you have to buy "raw" wheel and have them drilled to fit the 600?

[honda72z600]

The RX7 wheels will fit the 600.
They are 110 mm Bolt pattern like the 600
Jose

[honda600js]

they fit on the car as is. The problem, as miles
pointed out, is that they cause undue wear to the
suspention and rob low end power. I think they have a
totally different offset, this changes the stresses on
the bearings and struts, (kind of like those guys in
the '90 civics with the wheels that stick WAYYYYY out
of the fenders and they only run like that for 500
miles cause the axle stubs wear out) plus since you
are efectivly changing the final drive ratio with a
tire that has a larger riding diameter it's like
putting an ordinary car in 5th gear at 45MPH and
flooring it. Like Tony Weston once told me, there's
just only so much you can do with 36 cubic inches!
Ian
--- isettajoe wrote:

> Do RX-7 wheel have the same bolt pattern and spacing
> as our 600s or
> do you have to buy "raw" wheel and have them drilled
> to fit the 600?
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[isettakurt]

Actually, measurements taken off an RX-7 wheel and a Honda wheel show the offset to be about the same.
The overall diameter of the RX-7 wheel and tire is 20". The diameter of the old 10" wheel and tire is about 19". I don't really
notice any difference in acceleration times. (Of course when you are talking 0-60 times for the Honda 600 in days, rather than
seconds, what's to notice?)
What I do notice is that when I'm on the freeway, I used to have a hard time keeping up with traffic and not hitting the red line.
Now, I can at least keep up with traffic and still maintain about 500 RPM less than redline. Which is what I appreciate the most.
And going around a fast corner, the car is going to tip over long before the tires break loose.
And the tires don't stick WAYYYY out of the fenders. They only stick out just a smidge.
Just enough for that new Mini Cooper in the next lane to think twice about what he might be up against.
Ah well, at least we can dream...
Dave K.
=======================================
Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 23:09:53 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ian Kennedy
Subject: Re: Re: RX-7 wheels
they fit on the car as is. The problem, as miles
pointed out, is that they cause undue wear to the
suspention and rob low end power. I think they have a
totally different offset, this changes the stresses on
the bearings and struts, (kind of like those guys in
the '90 civics with the wheels that stick WAYYYYY out
of the fenders and they only run like that for 500
miles cause the axle stubs wear out) plus since you
are efectivly changing the final drive ratio with a
tire that has a larger riding diameter it's like
putting an ordinary car in 5th gear at 45MPH and
flooring it. Like Tony Weston once told me, there's
just only so much you can do with 36 cubic inches!
Ian

[honda600js]

hmm, this real world experience is interesting. just
for the record I wasn't trying to say the RX7 wheels
stick way out l ike those civics... it was just an
extreme example. Hey Miles, could you fill us in on
the worn out bearings theory?
Ian
--- Dave Kornberg wrote:

> Actually, measurements taken off an RX-7 wheel and a
> Honda wheel show the offset to be about the same.
> The overall diameter of the RX-7 wheel and tire is
> 20". The diameter of the old 10" wheel and tire is
> about 19". I don't really
> notice any difference in acceleration times. (Of
> course when you are talking 0-60 times for the Honda
> 600 in days, rather than
> seconds, what's to notice?)
> What I do notice is that when I'm on the freeway, I
> used to have a hard time keeping up with traffic and
> not hitting the red line.
> Now, I can at least keep up with traffic and still
> maintain about 500 RPM less than redline. Which is
> what I appreciate the most.
> And going around a fast corner, the car is going to
> tip over long before the tires break loose.
> And the tires don't stick WAYYYY out of the fenders.
> They only stick out just a smidge.
> Just enough for that new Mini Cooper in the next
> lane to think twice about what he might be up
> against.
> Ah well, at least we can dream...
> Dave K.
> =======================================
> Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 23:09:53 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Ian Kennedy Subject: Re: Re: RX-7 wheels
> they fit on the car as is. The problem, as miles
> pointed out, is that they cause undue wear to the
> suspention and rob low end power. I think they have
> a
> totally different offset, this changes the stresses
> on
> the bearings and struts, (kind of like those guys in
> the '90 civics with the wheels that stick WAYYYYY
> out
> of the fenders and they only run like that for 500
> miles cause the axle stubs wear out) plus since you
> are efectivly changing the final drive ratio with a
> tire that has a larger riding diameter it's like
> putting an ordinary car in 5th gear at 45MPH and
> flooring it. Like Tony Weston once told me, there's
> just only so much you can do with 36 cubic inches!
> Ian
> =====

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[dealadayray]

I have to agree with Dave K, his statements on a RX-7 rim with a 50 series
(low profile) tire is correct. Measuring the distance from the center of
the axel to the outer edge of the tire there is about a 1/2 inch difference
all the way around. The RX-7 rim I show in my picture album is an aluminum
rim weighing about a pound more than a standard Honda 600 steel rim. The
tire on the other hand was quite a bit heaver than 10in tires. Although we
found a tire that was very close to the 10in tire weight I can not remember
which one it was. As to wheel bearing wear, the weight of the rim and tire
have little to do with the bearings going out and the RX-7 rim is for a
front wheel drive vehicle so the dynamics are the same. But the tread to
road is different and a lose or a marginal set of front bearings will show
up very quickly. After market bearings can replace factory warn bearings
on the front axels for about $10.00 a bearing, - front wheel bearing
requires 2 each side #6305 which are sealed lubrication bearings. Then
tighten the castle nut with 160+ pounds Feet of torque. Note, most may
have some wear in the housing where the bearing seats causing some erratic
behavior in the front wheels, Like they seem loose?
Bill