--- On
Wed, 2/6/02, billmyong@...
wrote:
> From: billmyong@...
> Subject: [anzhonda600owners] RE: [2cylinderhondas] Re: Honda 600 upgrades > To:
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com,
anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, February 6, 2002, 12:46 AM
> Asking a question or two is not
> poopooing anything.
> It is however giving the person offering the suggestion more experience > with the issue at hand from Honda 600 owners willing to invest some time and be > prospective customers.
> WD40 had 39
> other tries, not failures but 39 times they didnt find the product they were > looking for.
> The automatic
> transmission for the Honda 600 worked, but it pulled 50% of the available power > from the engine resulting in a poor performing system.
> And we all know why there isnt an AC
> unit on a Honda 600.
> If there is
> technology out there to avail a driven alternator that will not reduce the > available power then great.
> But I
> for one have not heard anything about that come up in discussions here.
> I would like to see an electronic version
> of the voltage regulator and something to replace the rectifier.
> Lyle has progressed nicely with an electronic ignition
> conversion kit.
> The problem facing
> Honda 600 owners is that no one wants to invest a great deal of money in a > project that will stall because most Honda 600 owners wont buy one.
> R&D takes a lot of time and money
> to develop the item and more to package it.
> Then there is the 39 items that didnt work.
> If the cost to restore an original item is
> more than a replacement part then it has possibilities.
> Go for it, but dont call anyone asking
> the question a Nay Sayer.
> Bill
> -----Original
> Message-----
> From:
>
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com [mailto:
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of > feltonminicycle
> Sent:
> Tuesday, January 25, 2011
> 12:04 AM
> To:
>
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> Subject:
> [2cylinderhondas] Re:
> Honda 600 upgrades
> It's true back around 1985 I put a belt drive alternator on > my Honda 600 custom truck. It was just a 35 amp Civic alt. I also had the > Hawaiian head & pipes, all new parts in the engine, and I pulled the > windings off the flywheel. I wasn't a tuner and I'm still not but the truckster > wouldn't climb hills. It was missing 5 pounds of needed spinning mass.
> It sounds like Mike is still in the ideas/testing stages. I say instead of > poopooing his ideas to let him finish testing. It's interesting and fun to hear > about other people's mods.
> Miles
> --- In
>
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> ,
> Jerry A wrote:
> > Since the stator unit is connected to the crankshaft its technically a > load just a belt driven alternator would be. I believe the goal is remove the > outdated stator assembly and install a higher efficiency modern alternator with > a simple 1 wire connection going directly to the battery.If I remember > correctly Miles said he performed this conversion once and had mixed outcome as > the removal of the stator assembly allowed faster engine acceleration (ability > to rev) but at the cost of engine torque, making hill climbs near impossible.
> With the engine being underpowered, it uses the reciprocating mass of the > stator to produce torque. It will be interesting to see what the outcome will > be. I have a feeling it will move the power band around and increase horse > power but cost torque. I would think it would be a lot like swapping > lightweight flywheels on to engines.
> > --- On Mon, 1/24/11, billmyong@... wrote:
> > From: billmyong@...
> > Subject: RE: [2cylinderhondas] Re: Honda 600 upgrades
> > To:
>
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Monday, January 24, 2011, 11:34 PM
> > �
> > Just so we are all on the same page.
> > �
> > The OEM alternator stator unit is positioned on the crankshaft.� > This after market unit is sapping power from
> > the engine.� I have seen these before,
> > and they really pulled all the power from the engine.� So, is this > belt driven unit making my 36hp unit weaker? Or am I
> > missing something?
> > �
> > Bill
> > �
> > -----Original
> > Message-----
> > From:
>
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:
>
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> ]On
> Behalf Of TOM THIES
> > Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011
> > 3:23 PM
> > To:
>
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [2cylinderhondas] Re:
> > Honda 600 upgrades
> > �
> > �
> > I think he is talking about an external alternator that they
> > have come up with..
> > -----
> > Original Message -----
> > From: misterpoopoohead@...
> > To:
>
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Monday, January 24,
> > 2011 3:08 PM
> > Subject: Re:
> > [2cylinderhondas] Re: Honda 600 upgrades
> > �
> > �
> > The alternator is not belt driven. The alternator is driven
> > directly from the main crank. The belt drive is for the cooling fan only.
> > Sent
> > from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> > From: "honda600wiz"
> >
> > Sender:
>
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Mon,
> > 24 Jan 2011 12:28:06 -0000
> > To:
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> > ReplyTo:
>
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [2cylinderhondas]
> > Re: Honda 600 upgrades
> > �
> > �
> > The alternator is belt driven just like the cooling fan, gates
> > belt #7250 is working fine.
> > --- In
>
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> ,
> > wrote:
> > > So, how is the alternator operating? Belt driven?
> > > Bill
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From:
>
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> > > [mailto:
>
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> ]On
> > Behalf Of honda600wiz
> > > Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 5:05 AM
> > > To:
>
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [2cylinderhondas] Re: Honda 600 upgrades
> > > The electric fan is used for better cooling and also allow more room > for
> > > the alternator, using the stock fan did not allow for this. In this > set up
> > > there is no need for the stator, voltage regulator, brush assembly or
> > > rectifier and the fan is very easily removed if needed not complicated > to
> > > remove like the factory set up. Myself and the owner of DC > engineering
> > will
> > > continue to test, mointor and document our findings at testings > continues.
> > > --- In
>
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> ,
> > goinhm@ wrote:
> > > > That is great news! When you get a chance, tell us more details > on
> > the
> > > > alternator and the electronic ignition.
> > > > What is the advantage of the electric cooling fan? I think the > stock
> > > > mechanical system is pretty efficient and requires very little > power
> > to
> > > operate
> > > > (it has a low mass fan and the belt tension is very light, the
> > bearings
> > > at
> > > > the pulleys appear to be low friction).
> > > > thanks for the info,
> > > > Dale
> > > > Happy to report that the team of the Honda 600 Shop and DC
> > Engineering
> > > of
> > > > Opp Alabama we have been able to design a electronic ignition,
> > electric
> > > > cooling fan and a one wire alternator set up on the Honda 600 > cars
> > and
> > > so far
> > > > everything is working well. all the bugs are worked out and we > look
> > > foward
> > > > to helping other Honda 600 owners with this set up in the near
> > future.