Hi guys.
I finally got all the parts I was waiting for, and I've been really busy putting my engine back together.
I do have a couple of questions:
I forgot that I need an oil filter. Where do you usually go to get these:
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j228/ ... IM0855.jpg
I was also thinking about installing the kit for an external oil filter and cooler. But I'm curious: Will the extra oil lines and cooler and stuff add resistance to my oil pump and reduce oil flow? I didn't do anything as far as rebuilding my pump goes. It looked like it was in relatively good condition, but I want to make sure I get good oil flow. I'm worried the extra lines will "slow my flow".
Also:
I just installed my drive chain and sprockets. I din't replace the chain and I just noticed that the front chain seams slack and the back one is under tension. It's almost as if one chain is a little longer than the other. I don't know what would cause this. Maybe I should switch them around?
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j228/ ... IM0859.jpg
You can kind of see how the one in front is sagging while the one in back looks straight.
I almost wonder if the previous owner replaced one chain and not the other. Sounds crazy, but you never know.
Everything else seams to be coming right allong. I'll post more pictures later. Got to keep working now.
Mike.
Questions about assebling my engine.
Re: Questions about assebling my engine.
Personally, I would replace all the chains in the engine when it's apart. Especially since they are one of the weakest points of the engines. And to check to see if one chain is longer than the other, I would swap the inner with the outer and see what you get. There is also a possibility of the sprockets worn down unevenly.
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[anzhonda600owners] Questions about assebling my engine.
Hi guys.
I finally got all the parts I was waiting for, and I've been really busy putting my engine back together.
I do have a couple of questions:
I forgot that I need an oil filter. Where do you usually go to get these:
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j228/ ... IM0855.jpg
I was also thinking about installing the kit for an external oil filter and cooler. But I'm curious: Will the extra oil lines and cooler and stuff add resistance to my oil pump and reduce oil flow? I didn't do anything as far as rebuilding my pump goes. It looked like it was in relatively good condition, but I want to make sure I get good oil flow. I'm worried the extra lines will "slow my flow".
Also:
I just installed my drive chain and sprockets. I din't replace the chain and I just noticed that the front chain seams slack and the back one is under tension. It's almost as if one chain is a little longer than the other. I don't know what would cause this. Maybe I should switch them around?
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j228/ ... IM0859.jpg
You can kind of see how the one in front is sagging while the one in back looks straight.
I almost wonder if the previous owner replaced one chain and not the other. Sounds crazy, but you never know.
Everything else seams to be coming right allong. I'll post more pictures later. Got to keep working now.
Mike.
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Mega To:
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Wed, July 21, 2010 1:24:34 PM Subject:
[anzhonda600owners] Questions about assebling my engine.
Hi guys.
I finally got all the parts I was waiting for, and I've been really busy putting my engine back together.
I do have a couple of questions:
I forgot that I need an oil filter. Where do you usually go to get these:
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j228/ ... IM0855.jpg
I was also thinking about installing the kit for an external oil filter and cooler. But I'm curious: Will the extra oil lines and cooler and stuff add resistance to my oil pump and reduce oil flow? I didn't do anything as far as rebuilding my pump goes. It looked like it was in relatively good condition, but I want to make sure I get good oil flow. I'm worried the extra lines will "slow my flow".
Also:
I just installed my drive chain and sprockets. I din't replace the chain and I just noticed that the front chain seams slack and the back one is under tension. It's almost as if one chain is a little longer than the other. I don't know what would cause this. Maybe I should switch them around?
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j228/ ... IM0859.jpg
You can kind of see how the one in front is sagging while the one in back looks straight.
I almost wonder if the previous owner replaced one chain and not the other. Sounds crazy, but you never know.
Everything else seams to be coming right allong. I'll post more pictures later. Got to keep working now.
Mike.
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Re: Questions about assebling my engine.
You should be able to order them from Honda.
Kev Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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[anzhonda600owners] Questions about assebling my engine.
Hi guys.
I finally got all the parts I was waiting for, and I've been really busy putting my engine back together.
I do have a couple of questions:
I forgot that I need an oil filter. Where do you usually go to get these:
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j228/ ... IM0855.jpg
I was also thinking about installing the kit for an external oil filter and cooler. But I'm curious: Will the extra oil lines and cooler and stuff add resistance to my oil pump and reduce oil flow? I didn't do anything as far as rebuilding my pump goes. It looked like it was in relatively good condition, but I want to make sure I get good oil flow. I'm worried the extra lines will "slow my flow".
Also:
I just installed my drive chain and sprockets. I din't replace the chain and I just noticed that the front chain seams slack and the back one is under tension. It's almost as if one chain is a little longer than the other. I don't know what would cause this. Maybe I should switch them around?
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j228/ ... IM0859.jpg
You can kind of see how the one in front is sagging while the one in back looks straight.
I almost wonder if the previous owner replaced one chain and not the other. Sounds crazy, but you never know.
Everything else seams to be coming right allong. I'll post more pictures later. Got to keep working now.
Mike.
Kev Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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Subject:
[anzhonda600owners] Questions about assebling my engine.
Hi guys.
I finally got all the parts I was waiting for, and I've been really busy putting my engine back together.
I do have a couple of questions:
I forgot that I need an oil filter. Where do you usually go to get these:
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j228/ ... IM0855.jpg
I was also thinking about installing the kit for an external oil filter and cooler. But I'm curious: Will the extra oil lines and cooler and stuff add resistance to my oil pump and reduce oil flow? I didn't do anything as far as rebuilding my pump goes. It looked like it was in relatively good condition, but I want to make sure I get good oil flow. I'm worried the extra lines will "slow my flow".
Also:
I just installed my drive chain and sprockets. I din't replace the chain and I just noticed that the front chain seams slack and the back one is under tension. It's almost as if one chain is a little longer than the other. I don't know what would cause this. Maybe I should switch them around?
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j228/ ... IM0859.jpg
You can kind of see how the one in front is sagging while the one in back looks straight.
I almost wonder if the previous owner replaced one chain and not the other. Sounds crazy, but you never know.
Everything else seams to be coming right allong. I'll post more pictures later. Got to keep working now.
Mike.
Re: Questions about assebling my engine.
Hi Mike,
See my responses below.
Hi guys.
I finally got all the parts I was waiting for, and I've been really busy putting my engine back together.
I do have a couple of questions:
I forgot that I need an oil filter. Where do you usually go to get these:
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j228/ ... IM0855.jpg
Here is a copy of a msg sent by Steve;
"the real thing is part # 06154-551-505 Your local Honda dealer parts dept will need to order it - call them with the number.
They may not believe it's a "real" number at first"
When I stopped by the local Honda dealer, they did have them available at their warehouse in town and the cost was $13.15 in Portland, OR. I have also noticed persons selling them on eBay from $15 to $20 plus shipping.
See my responses below.
Hi guys.
I finally got all the parts I was waiting for, and I've been really busy putting my engine back together.
I do have a couple of questions:
I forgot that I need an oil filter. Where do you usually go to get these:
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j228/ ... IM0855.jpg
Here is a copy of a msg sent by Steve;
"the real thing is part # 06154-551-505 Your local Honda dealer parts dept will need to order it - call them with the number.
They may not believe it's a "real" number at first"
When I stopped by the local Honda dealer, they did have them available at their warehouse in town and the cost was $13.15 in Portland, OR. I have also noticed persons selling them on eBay from $15 to $20 plus shipping.
> I was also thinking about installing the kit for an
> external oil filter and cooler. But I'm curious: Will the extra oil lines and > cooler and stuff add resistance to my oil pump and reduce oil flow? I didn't > do anything as far as rebuilding my pump goes. It looked like it was in > relatively good condition, but I want to make sure I get good oil flow. I'm > worried the extra lines will "slow my flow".
I always thought of the oil filter system on these cars
as working in bypass mode (like most passenger cars) but the sedan shop manual was giving me a different impression. It is implying the oil is split into 2 paths (which is correct) and all the oil directed to the filter goes through the filter before being sent to the cylinder head. The manual indicates if the filter is blocked, the check valve in the filter allows the oil to bypass the filter and go to the cylinder head via the through bolt. For the volume of oil which gets pumped up to the cylinder head, I find it hard to believe all the oil passed through the oil filter (anyone who has accidentally left the cam shaft cover off has experienced the huge spray of oil which occurs when the cam area is flooded).
If the oil filtering is done in bypass mode,
adding the extra lines in no big deal. If all the oil is filtered before being pumped to the heads, then adding the extra lines does present a problem.
Others on here will have to lend their knowledge.
I will have to take a look at the oil system on one of my engines and see how it works. Now I am curious.
> Also:
> I just installed my
> drive chain and sprockets. I din't replace the chain and I just noticed that > the front chain seams slack and the back one is under tension. It's almost as > if one chain is a little longer than the other. I don't know what would cause > this. Maybe I should switch them around?
> http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j228/ ... IM0859.jpg > You > can kind of see how the one in front is sagging while the one in back looks > straight.
> I almost wonder if the previous owner replaced one chain and > not the other. Sounds crazy, but you never know.
I have seen that sometimes. Someone else suggested
exchanging the chains and see if the problem flips or stays the same.....good idea. Since this is the engine which you were using and is full of the worn out parts,
I think this drive chain problem is not going to be a
show stopper for you getting it back on the road.
> Everything else seams to be
> coming right allong. I'll post more pictures later. Got to keep working > now.
> Mike.
Re: Questions about assembling my engine.
Mike;
Your question on drive chains;
Go back to the book (page 4-50) in the sedan large manual or (page 70 and 71) of the Coupe supplement manual to find out how to put the large drive sprocket together. Your drive sprockets are misaligned. New drive chain is not available from Honda and no chain is available through after market sources. Make sure the rubber dampers are not hard as a rock, cracked or crumbling if so, they should be replaced.
Remote Oil filter question;
The factory oil pump on the Honda 600 engine is more than enough to push oil through the correct filters. A remote filter should be a PH8A full size or PH2870A for a narrow filter. And, because spin on oil filters have check valves in them, they should always be filled at least 3/4 full before installing them. Otherwise they could trap oil flow and cause damage to the original oil filter cap.
Advantages of a remote filter; ease of installation, finding a filter replacement, adding more oil to your system, you can take it to a oil change shop and have the oil changed and a new filter where they most likely will not have an original filter for your Honda 600.
Also, a remote filter unit will allow you to attach a oil temp and oil pressure gauge.
Disadvantages; most are installation connected, you have to make everything close to the engine and use good hose (transmission or PCV valve hose is recommended) normally fuel line is to small. If you use a cooler, install an oil thermostat and hang it from the body with at least one metal clamp.
As to Oil weight;
10W30 is fine for cooler climates but 20W50 is best for warmer areas where temperatures remain above 45 degrees.
Bill
Your question on drive chains;
Go back to the book (page 4-50) in the sedan large manual or (page 70 and 71) of the Coupe supplement manual to find out how to put the large drive sprocket together. Your drive sprockets are misaligned. New drive chain is not available from Honda and no chain is available through after market sources. Make sure the rubber dampers are not hard as a rock, cracked or crumbling if so, they should be replaced.
Remote Oil filter question;
The factory oil pump on the Honda 600 engine is more than enough to push oil through the correct filters. A remote filter should be a PH8A full size or PH2870A for a narrow filter. And, because spin on oil filters have check valves in them, they should always be filled at least 3/4 full before installing them. Otherwise they could trap oil flow and cause damage to the original oil filter cap.
Advantages of a remote filter; ease of installation, finding a filter replacement, adding more oil to your system, you can take it to a oil change shop and have the oil changed and a new filter where they most likely will not have an original filter for your Honda 600.
Also, a remote filter unit will allow you to attach a oil temp and oil pressure gauge.
Disadvantages; most are installation connected, you have to make everything close to the engine and use good hose (transmission or PCV valve hose is recommended) normally fuel line is to small. If you use a cooler, install an oil thermostat and hang it from the body with at least one metal clamp.
As to Oil weight;
10W30 is fine for cooler climates but 20W50 is best for warmer areas where temperatures remain above 45 degrees.
Bill
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> Questions about assebling my engine.
> Hi guys.
> I finally got all the parts I was waiting for, and I've
> been really busy putting my engine back together.
> I do have a couple of
> questions:
> I forgot that I need an oil filter. Where do you usually go > to get these:
> http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j228/ ... IM0855.jpg > I > was also thinking about installing the kit for an external oil filter and > cooler. But I'm curious: Will the extra oil lines and cooler and stuff add > resistance to my oil pump and reduce oil flow? I didn't do anything as far as > rebuilding my pump goes. It looked like it was in relatively good condition, > but I want to make sure I get good oil flow. I'm worried the extra lines will > "slow my flow".
> Also:
> I just installed my drive chain and sprockets.
> I din't replace the chain and I just noticed that the front chain seams slack > and the back one is under tension. It's almost as if one chain is a little > longer than the other. I don't know what would cause this. Maybe I should > switch them around?
> http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j228/ ... IM0859.jpg > You > can kind of see how the one in front is sagging while the one in back looks > straight.
> I almost wonder if the previous owner replaced one chain and > not the other. Sounds crazy, but you never know.
> Everything else seams
> to be coming right allong. I'll post more pictures later. Got to keep working > now.
> Mike.