Engine upgrade

[ari4loans]

There is a company out there that puts Integra vtech motors in the old
mini cooper bodies. Has anyone done that with a 600? I would imagine
that it would be a blast to drive!

[dawn_and_darrian]

the engines BARELY fit inthe mini-coopers, and they have a lot of more room under the hood compared to the n600.
If I had the money I'd get one of those vtec minis in a heartbeat.

[arklirj]

what about a goldwing engine? anyone ever tried that? I know they have reverse...
Matt Timion wrote: the engines BARELY fit inthe mini-coopers, and they have a lot of more room under the hood compared to the n600.
If I had the money I'd get one of those vtec minis in a heartbeat.

[tommyjayallen]

The V tech engines don't exactly fit in the minis. The front of the car has to be extended about 3 1/2 to 4 inches to get everything in there.
jason payne wrote: what about a goldwing engine? anyone ever tried that? I know they have reverse...
Matt Timion wrote: the engines BARELY fit inthe mini-coopers, and they have a lot of more room under the hood compared to the n600.
If I had the money I'd get one of those vtec minis in a heartbeat.

[Cc]

--- In 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com, Tad Clark wrote:

>I tried it with the smaller d16a1, It wont fit without a fiberglass front end and moving the

firewall in sections. The problem is not engine hight or width, its the length.

> The V tech engines don't exactly fit in the minis. The front of the car has to be extended

about 3 1/2 to 4 inches to get everything in there.

> jason payne wrote: what about a goldwing engine? anyone

ever tried that? I know they have reverse...

> Matt Timion wrote: the engines BARELY fit inthe mini-coopers, and they

have a lot of more room under the hood compared to the n600.

> If I had the money I'd get one of those vtec minis in a heartbeat.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: ari4loans
> To:
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 2:44 PM
> Subject: [2cylinderhondas] Engine upgrade
> There is a company out there that puts Integra vtech motors in the old
> mini cooper bodies. Has anyone done that with a 600? I would imagine
> that it would be a blast to drive!
> ---------------------------------
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[MarkN]

I have been mulling over the engine swap issue for some time... Here
are some thoughts:
3 cylinder Geo/Sprint motor. Would fit, but not a very "cool" motor. 2
valve heads, not a lot of power potential... 60, maybe 70 horse with a
big cam and high compression.
3 cylinder Subaru Justy motor. Would mostly fit, Better head, more
displacement, no aftermarket support whatsoever. Something like 70
horse stock though.
3 cylinder Dihatsue motor. Great head design, popular in europe, no
support/ hard to find here, I never measured one, so I don't know if
it would fit.
All of the 4 cylinder motors that I measured were too long, or have
retarded bore to stroke ratios that would limit their ability to make
power (small bores with long strokes restrict the size of the valves
which directly limits power)
The option that I would take if I ever felt the need to waste 3 months
of my life (resonable chance of that happening) is a little wacky.
Mate a honda RC51 motor via a chain drive to a rear diff from a miata.
The motor would be sideways on the passanger side of the engine
compartment. A chain drive would go from the output sprocket on the
RC51 motor to a sprocket on the input to the differential. Graft the
honda CV axles to the Miata CV axles and you're done! (simple, right?)
Lots of machining and welding on that one, but you end up with a whole
bunch of power (120? hp) and a differential with a limited slip in
it. Downsides are that the RC51 motor is injected and you wouldn't
have a reverse gear. Upside is that there would be little or no weight
penalty, because those RC51 motors weigh very little, and you'd still
get good gas mileage.
Another option might be the Smart car motors, but those are a complete
unknown to me now. Likewise with the Beat / Kei car motors... really
hard to source parts for.
-Miles E

[singerdude_69]

I almost hate to even bring this up....but, what about the Mazda
rotary motor??? Now don't go throwin any tomatoes at me!! =)
Troy

[Cc]

It may fit but you would need to cut the tunnel, You would need to be creative w/ the
radiator. Also you will need to convert to RWD. From my research the MG midget rear is
the best fit for a n600. Il post more when i try it. I am doing a cbr100rr swap. So far i have
molded a fiberglass flip front and done a ton of internet research for engines that will fit.
So far i have not found anything that can be swapped w/o cutting.
Ps. A company called Qualfe makes a reversing box for putting bike engines in cars. Also
there are reversing rear differentials out there, i haven't found any that are properly sized
for a small rear end like the midget.

--- In
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
, "singerdude_69" wrote:
> I almost hate to even bring this up....but, what about the Mazda
> rotary motor??? Now don't go throwin any tomatoes at me!! =)
> Troy
> --- In
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
, "wanna600"
> wrote:
> > I have been mulling over the engine swap issue for some time... Here
> > are some thoughts:
> > 3 cylinder Geo/Sprint motor. Would fit, but not a very "cool"
> motor. 2
> > valve heads, not a lot of power potential... 60, maybe 70 horse
> with a
> > big cam and high compression.
> > 3 cylinder Subaru Justy motor. Would mostly fit, Better head, more
> > displacement, no aftermarket support whatsoever. Something like 70
> > horse stock though.
> > 3 cylinder Dihatsue motor. Great head design, popular in europe, no
> > support/ hard to find here, I never measured one, so I don't know if
> > it would fit.
> > All of the 4 cylinder motors that I measured were too long, or have
> > retarded bore to stroke ratios that would limit their ability to
> make
> > power (small bores with long strokes restrict the size of the valves
> > which directly limits power)
> > The option that I would take if I ever felt the need to waste 3
> months
> > of my life (resonable chance of that happening) is a little wacky.
> > Mate a honda RC51 motor via a chain drive to a rear diff from a
> miata.
> > The motor would be sideways on the passanger side of the engine
> > compartment. A chain drive would go from the output sprocket on the
> > RC51 motor to a sprocket on the input to the differential. Graft the
> > honda CV axles to the Miata CV axles and you're done! (simple,
> right?)
> > Lots of machining and welding on that one, but you end up with a
> whole
> > bunch of power (120? hp) and a differential with a limited slip in
> > it. Downsides are that the RC51 motor is injected and you wouldn't
> > have a reverse gear. Upside is that there would be little or no
> weight
> > penalty, because those RC51 motors weigh very little, and you'd
> still
> > get good gas mileage.
> > Another option might be the Smart car motors, but those are a
> complete
> > unknown to me now. Likewise with the Beat / Kei car motors... really
> > hard to source parts for.
> > -Miles E
> > --- In
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
, "andrewpthornton"
> > wrote:
> > > --- In
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
, Tad Clark
> wrote:
> > > >I tried it with the smaller d16a1, It wont fit without a
> fiberglass
> > front end and moving the
> > > firewall in sections. The problem is not engine hight or width,
> its
> > the length.
> > > > The V tech engines don't exactly fit in the minis. The front of
> > the car has to be extended
> > > about 3 1/2 to 4 inches to get everything in there.
> > > > jason payne wrote: what about a
> goldwing
> > engine? anyone
> > > ever tried that? I know they have reverse...
> > > > Matt Timion wrote: the engines BARELY fit inthe
> > mini-coopers, and they
> > > have a lot of more room under the hood compared to the n600.
> > > > If I had the money I'd get one of those vtec minis in a
> heartbeat.
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: ari4loans
> > > > To:
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 2:44 PM
> > > > Subject: [2cylinderhondas] Engine upgrade
> > > > There is a company out there that puts Integra vtech motors in
> the
> > old
> > > > mini cooper bodies. Has anyone done that with a 600? I would
> imagine
> > > > that it would be a blast to drive!
> > > > ---------------------------------
> > > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?
> > > > Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
> > > > ---------------------------------
> > > > Be a PS3 game guru.
> > > > Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at
> > Yahoo! Games.

[Miles]

Is it really an upgrade to down grade a Honda 600?
I started a project where I installed a Datsun 1200 engine/trans into
a sedan. I took the Datsun rear end and welded mounting blocks to it
and had it all mounted up in my sedan. The project parts were
purchased by Tony Weston and he completed the project and made one
fantastic auto cross car. Last I heard the car is down in San Luis
Obispo Calif.
I had an engine from an Austin America poised under the hood of
another sedan. It was one of the ones with 4 speed trans. With a bit
of work I had planned a conversion using a Geo Metro. I was going to
use the whole front clip/suspension and mount it under a 600 sedan.
Not much room in a coupe, the wheel wells are just too close
together.
I think there is some engine changes shown in my other group,
Modified Micros. Not many members, but some customs in there.
Miles

[jpro8071]

--- In 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com, "andrewpthornton"
wrote:

> Ps. A company called Qualfe makes a reversing box for putting bike
> engines in cars. Also

Have you priced one of those out?