I just made a set of delrin bushings for my sedan. If anyone is
interested in a set for their 600 (coupe or sedan), send me an email
at richard.morris@.... I will take $25.00 for the bushings (2).
That does not include postage to you (probably 5 bucks or less). I
will take Paypal.
If anyone wants them made out of teflon, I will do the 2 bushings
for $40.00 (teflon is expensive).
I have a 71 sedan and all I had to remove to get the rack out was
take out the steering column, and the 4 rack bolts and the fan
housing and the carb/intake (2 bolts). Don't believe that you can
get the rack out without pulling the fan housing (at least in my 71
sedan). It just won't come out. Overall, replacing the bushings is
about a 4 hour job. My sedan now has the steering response of a go-
kart!
I went from having nearly a 1/4 turn of steering play to none at
all. Best of all, delrin is made to be used in applications like
this.
I can also make sway bar bushings out of delrin. Contact me for
price on them.
Richard Morris
delrin steering rack pinion bushings
Re: delrin steering rack pinion bushings
Hi Richard;
If you go to the URL below there is a complete article on how to
change/rebuild the steering rack. It can be removed without pulling the fan
or carb. You have to loosen the four sub frame bolts and allow the engine
to move forward and down a bit. It only takes about a half inch more room.
http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/anz ... ers/files/
Bill
If you go to the URL below there is a complete article on how to
change/rebuild the steering rack. It can be removed without pulling the fan
or carb. You have to loosen the four sub frame bolts and allow the engine
to move forward and down a bit. It only takes about a half inch more room.
http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/anz ... ers/files/
Bill
Re: delrin steering rack pinion bushings
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Bill, I did that. I had the article. I even completely removed the back two subframe bolts and let the engine dangle. And then I used a lever to push it down even further (the subframe). I tried that and tried every way I could to get it out without pulling the fan housing. Believe me when I say I tried. Even with the fan housing out, it was not a case of it fell out (and this was with the rear subframe dangling loose. I could have had it out a lot faster and with less wear and tear on my hands if I had just pulled the fan housing first (it's really not that bad with the right length extensions and small 1/4 drive socket). And it was worth all the trouble.
This is a 71 sedan, it has the stud on the passenger side that some duct work mounts to. It may not be as difficult in a coupe or later sedan. And yes, the instructions on the ANZ site were helpful.
Richard Morris
Bill, I did that. I had the article. I even completely removed the back two subframe bolts and let the engine dangle. And then I used a lever to push it down even further (the subframe). I tried that and tried every way I could to get it out without pulling the fan housing. Believe me when I say I tried. Even with the fan housing out, it was not a case of it fell out (and this was with the rear subframe dangling loose. I could have had it out a lot faster and with less wear and tear on my hands if I had just pulled the fan housing first (it's really not that bad with the right length extensions and small 1/4 drive socket). And it was worth all the trouble.
This is a 71 sedan, it has the stud on the passenger side that some duct work mounts to. It may not be as difficult in a coupe or later sedan. And yes, the instructions on the ANZ site were helpful.
Richard Morris
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com [mailto:2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com] > On > Behalf Of > Bill Colford > Sent:
> Tuesday, November 29, 2005 2:40
> AM
> To:
> anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com;
> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> Subject:
> RE: [2cylinderhondas]
> delrin steering rack pinion bushings
> Hi
> Richard;
> If you go to the URL below there is
> a complete article on how to
> change/rebuild the steering rack. It can
> be removed without pulling the fan
> or carb. You have to loosen the
> four sub frame bolts and allow the engine
> to move forward and down a
> bit. It only takes about a half inch more room.
> http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/anz ... ers/files/ > Bill > -----Original > Message----- > From:
> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com]On
> Behalf Of Richard Morris
> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 9:11 PM
> To:
> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [2cylinderhondas] delrin steering
> rack pinion bushings
> I just made a set of delrin bushings for my
> sedan. If anyone is
> interested in a set for their 600 (coupe or
> sedan), send me an email
> at richard.morris@.... I will take $25.00 for
> the bushings (2).
> That does not include postage to you (probably 5 bucks or
> less). I
> will take Paypal.
> If anyone wants them made out of teflon,
> I will do the 2 bushings
> for $40.00 (teflon is expensive).
> I have a
> 71 sedan and all I had to remove to get the rack out was > take out the > steering column, and the 4 rack bolts and the fan > housing and the > carb/intake (2 bolts). Don't believe that you can > get the rack out without > pulling the fan housing (at least in my 71 > sedan). It just won't come out.
> Overall, replacing the bushings is
> about a 4 hour job. My sedan now has the
> steering response of a go-
> kart!
> I went from having nearly a 1/4
> turn of steering play to none at
> all. Best of all, delrin is made to be
> used in applications like
> this.
> I can also make sway bar bushings
> out of delrin. Contact me for
> price on them.
> Richard
> Morris
> Yahoo! Groups
> Links
Re: delrin steering rack pinion bushings
Just to throw another experience in the mix... I was able to pull my
steering rack out of my 71 sedan without loosening the subframe or the
fan. It just wiggled out one side of the inner fender.
I agree with how fantastic the car steers after replacing the bushings
with delrin. Night and day. I did spend a few hours grinding and
sanding my rack straight, so there could be less slop in the bushing.
now the steering feels like my buddy's Boxter. Keep in mind that that
is the only part of the car that will ever feel "like a Boxters"
-Miles E.
steering rack out of my 71 sedan without loosening the subframe or the
fan. It just wiggled out one side of the inner fender.
I agree with how fantastic the car steers after replacing the bushings
with delrin. Night and day. I did spend a few hours grinding and
sanding my rack straight, so there could be less slop in the bushing.
now the steering feels like my buddy's Boxter. Keep in mind that that
is the only part of the car that will ever feel "like a Boxters"
-Miles E.
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realizing the shortage of air filters left in the world I was wondering the viability of putting a K&N cone filter inside of the airbox. Would this work? Some sort of bracket would have to be constructed to hold it into place but is it a good alternative to getting NOS air filters?
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Personally, I think you are better off using the stock air cleaner assembly. You can still get the filter elements from your Honda dealer (at least here in Tulsa, I can). Same is true of the oil filter. It is kept in stock.
Also, the stock air filter setup has a moisture trap and condensate is actually caught in it. As well as in the winter, warm air is fed into the carburetor via the filter. You lose all these benefits by going to an aftermarket one.
Richard Morris
Personally, I think you are better off using the stock air cleaner assembly. You can still get the filter elements from your Honda dealer (at least here in Tulsa, I can). Same is true of the oil filter. It is kept in stock.
Also, the stock air filter setup has a moisture trap and condensate is actually caught in it. As well as in the winter, warm air is fed into the carburetor via the filter. You lose all these benefits by going to an aftermarket one.
Richard Morris
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> From:
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> Wednesday, November 30, 2005
> 12:38 AM
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> Subject:
> [2cylinderhondas] Will a K&N Cone filter in air box
> work?
> realizing the shortage of air filters left in the world I
> was wondering the viability of putting a K&N cone filter inside of the > airbox. Would this work? Some sort of bracket would have to be > constructed to hold it into place but is it a good alternative to getting NOS > air filters?
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Re: Will a K&N Cone filter in air box work?
If the air filters are still kept in stock then I should just buy a few.
Remember my question was about the air filter, not the assembly.
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> Personally, I think you are better off using the stock air cleaner assembly. You can still get the filter elements from your Honda dealer (at least here in Tulsa, I can). Same is true of the oil filter. It is kept in stock.
> Also, the stock air filter setup has a moisture trap and condensate is actually caught in it. As well as in the winter, warm air is fed into the carburetor via the filter. You lose all these benefits by going to an aftermarket one.
> Richard Morris
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> > [2cylinderhondas] Will a K&N Cone filter in air box work?
> > realizing the shortage of air filters left in the world I was wondering the viability of putting a K&N cone filter inside of the airbox. Would this work? Some sort of bracket would have to be constructed to hold it into place but is it a good alternative to getting NOS air filters?
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Re: delrin steering rack pinion bushings
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Hi Richard;
I don't remember what year of Sedan I was working on when I wrote the article. There may have been two or three cars available to me at the time. I do know that (even though I didn't say it in the article) allowing the back frame bolts to come out all the way pulled the engine unit back toward the fire wall making it impossible to remove the rack assembly. The rear bolts had to stay in place and the front bolts pulled to allow the engine to move forward. But I pulled the rack on both Sedan and Coupe while writing the article. And, I left the engine fan in place.
New subject:
I have found a tie rod puller in the Eastwood ( www.eastwoodco.com ) catalog #188103 part number 4505 works great pulling the Honda 600 tie rod ends without damaging the rubber seal. And, the trick to keep from damaging the threads is to place a engine head cap nut on the tie rod end after removing the nut, it pops the tie rod end out in a snap.
Eastbood
also has a steering wheel repair kit that is very reasonable, and will bring your steering wheel back to like new condition with a little work. (maybe more if your steering wheel is really bad) But well worth the effort when the product is completed.
Bill
Hi Richard;
I don't remember what year of Sedan I was working on when I wrote the article. There may have been two or three cars available to me at the time. I do know that (even though I didn't say it in the article) allowing the back frame bolts to come out all the way pulled the engine unit back toward the fire wall making it impossible to remove the rack assembly. The rear bolts had to stay in place and the front bolts pulled to allow the engine to move forward. But I pulled the rack on both Sedan and Coupe while writing the article. And, I left the engine fan in place.
New subject:
I have found a tie rod puller in the Eastwood ( www.eastwoodco.com ) catalog #188103 part number 4505 works great pulling the Honda 600 tie rod ends without damaging the rubber seal. And, the trick to keep from damaging the threads is to place a engine head cap nut on the tie rod end after removing the nut, it pops the tie rod end out in a snap.
Eastbood
also has a steering wheel repair kit that is very reasonable, and will bring your steering wheel back to like new condition with a little work. (maybe more if your steering wheel is really bad) But well worth the effort when the product is completed.
Bill
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com [mailto:2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com] > On > Behalf Of > Richard Morris > Sent:
> Tuesday, November 29, 2005 6:27
> AM
> To:
> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> Subject:
> RE:
> [2cylinderhondas] delrin steering rack pinion bushings
> Bill, I did that. I had the article. I even completely removed the back > two subframe bolts and let the engine dangle. And then I used a lever to push > it down even further (the subframe). I tried that and tried every way I could > to get it out without pulling the fan housing. Believe me when I say I tried.
> Even with the fan housing out, it was not a case of it fell out (and this was > with the rear subframe dangling loose. I could have had it out a lot faster > and with less wear and tear on my hands if I had just pulled the fan > housing first (it's really not that bad with the right length extensions and > small 1/4 drive socket). And it was worth all the trouble.
> This
> is a 71 sedan, it has the stud on the passenger side that some duct work > mounts to. It may not be as difficult in a coupe or later sedan. And yes, the > instructions on the ANZ site were helpful.
> Richard
> Morris
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:
> > 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com [mailto:2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com]
> > On Behalf Of
> > Bill Colford
> > Sent:
> > Tuesday, November 29, 2005
> > 2:40 AM
> > To:
> > anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com;
> > 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject:
> > RE: [2cylinderhondas]
> > delrin steering rack pinion bushings
> > Hi
> > Richard;
> > If you go to the URL below there
> > is a complete article on how to
> > change/rebuild the steering rack.
> > It can be removed without pulling the fan
> > or carb. You have to
> > loosen the four sub frame bolts and allow the engine > > to move forward and > > down a bit. It only takes about a half inch more room.
> > http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/anz ... ers/files/ > > Bill > > -----Original > > Message----- > > From:
> > 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com]On
> > Behalf Of Richard Morris
> > Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 9:11 PM
> > To:
> > 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [2cylinderhondas] delrin
> > steering rack pinion bushings
> > I just made a set of delrin
> > bushings for my sedan. If anyone is
> > interested in a set for their
> > 600 (coupe or sedan), send me an email
> > at richard.morris@.... I will
> > take $25.00 for the bushings (2).
> > That does not include postage to you
> > (probably 5 bucks or less). I
> > will take Paypal.
> > If anyone wants
> > them made out of teflon, I will do the 2 bushings
> > for $40.00 (teflon is
> > expensive).
> > I have a 71 sedan and all I had to remove to get the rack > > out was > > take out the steering column, and the 4 rack bolts and the > > fan > > housing and the carb/intake (2 bolts). Don't believe that you > > can > > get the rack out without pulling the fan housing (at least in my > > 71 > > sedan). It just won't come out. Overall, replacing the bushings > > is > > about a 4 hour job. My sedan now has the steering response of a > > go- > > kart!
> > I went from having nearly a 1/4 turn of steering play to > > none at > > all. Best of all, delrin is made to be used in applications > > like > > this.
> > I can also make sway bar bushings out of delrin.
> > Contact me for
> > price on them.
> > Richard
> > Morris
> > Yahoo! Groups
> > Links
Re: delrin steering rack pinion bushings
Hi Miles E.
How does the Delrin bushing work? do you use the original brass bushing and
place the Delrin bushing over it? or...
I talk about using a cloth tape (some owners had a problem with putting
tape on the bushing, the friction tape I used was really thick and with the
washer on either end held together well), Neoprene tubing and I have used a
peace of electrical conduit pipe and tried a nylon bushing over the original
brass bushing (each time I removed what was left of the rubber on the
original bushings). The tape had give but held up well in the grease as did
the Neoprene tubing, the Nylon bushing cracked under use, the conduit had no
give, gave the best alignment but never felt right.
But each time my goal was to replace the rubber on the out side of the
original bushings. The original bushing never showed any wear it was always
the rubber that failed. I guess what I am trying to say is, that this is a
frequent problem brought on by time and not just use. So for any Honda 600
owner working on your steering because the steering wheel moves three inches
before the wheels turn, fix your steering rack before it causes you more
problems. If Delrin bushings are the way to go, lets get them on the shelf.
Bill
How does the Delrin bushing work? do you use the original brass bushing and
place the Delrin bushing over it? or...
I talk about using a cloth tape (some owners had a problem with putting
tape on the bushing, the friction tape I used was really thick and with the
washer on either end held together well), Neoprene tubing and I have used a
peace of electrical conduit pipe and tried a nylon bushing over the original
brass bushing (each time I removed what was left of the rubber on the
original bushings). The tape had give but held up well in the grease as did
the Neoprene tubing, the Nylon bushing cracked under use, the conduit had no
give, gave the best alignment but never felt right.
But each time my goal was to replace the rubber on the out side of the
original bushings. The original bushing never showed any wear it was always
the rubber that failed. I guess what I am trying to say is, that this is a
frequent problem brought on by time and not just use. So for any Honda 600
owner working on your steering because the steering wheel moves three inches
before the wheels turn, fix your steering rack before it causes you more
problems. If Delrin bushings are the way to go, lets get them on the shelf.
Bill
Re: delrin steering rack pinion bushings
Bill- I got rid of the brass bushing along with the rubber goo that
used to be the compliant part of the bushing.
I'm assuming that honda went with the brass/rubber combo to compensate
for the taper in the rack itself. If you go with a non compliant
bushing you have two options: 1. Make the bushing with extra clearance
to compensate for the racks taper, or 2. Make the bushing snug to the
pinion and remove the taper from the rack.
I went with option #2 in an effort to reduce wiggle and friction in
the steering wheel.
Something to keep in mind is that I have only touched 1 n600 steering
rack in my life; others might not have as much taper as mine.
I've got about 1.5 years on my delrin bushings with a bunch (maybe 60)
autocross runs, no sign of degredation
-Miles
used to be the compliant part of the bushing.
I'm assuming that honda went with the brass/rubber combo to compensate
for the taper in the rack itself. If you go with a non compliant
bushing you have two options: 1. Make the bushing with extra clearance
to compensate for the racks taper, or 2. Make the bushing snug to the
pinion and remove the taper from the rack.
I went with option #2 in an effort to reduce wiggle and friction in
the steering wheel.
Something to keep in mind is that I have only touched 1 n600 steering
rack in my life; others might not have as much taper as mine.
I've got about 1.5 years on my delrin bushings with a bunch (maybe 60)
autocross runs, no sign of degredation
-Miles