New N600 Owner(hopefully)

[Chas]

Hi Becky,
Don't buy a rusty Honda Z600. It is just not worth the effort as much nicer cars are just not that expensive. I don't know what your budget is but I have five Z600's and I was thinking about parting with one or two of them. They are all very noce cars from a very nice original that needs a little work to two very nice running driving cars, to a car that is 85% restored and just needs finishing. If you are serious about buying a Z600, please contact me and we can arrange to get you up here to have a look.
Also, we host the Gould's Annual Microcar & Minicar Classic Event here in Newton (near Boston), Massachusetts on July 12, 13 and 14, 2013. You are welcome to attend and see all of the unusual microcars and minicars that attend this European style driving event. Everyone else is also invited. It is three days of microcar lunacy including four driving tours, activities, parties, Memphis barbecue, frozen Margarita party and much, much more. Check out all of the details at www.bubbledrome.com
Chas

[Eric Geiger]

What's your budget Becky? Maybe someone here has a car they're sitting on that they might be willing to part with.   Like I said I have 2-3 extra cars that I need to part with atleast one.   Someone very well may have one they could get running so that you already have a running car to start with and maybe just needs a brake job and some minor repairs to be road worthy.  Might not be the nicest looking but you can make it your own then still.
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On May 9, 2013, at 8:47 AM, "Chas" wrote:
Hi Becky,
Don't buy a rusty Honda Z600. It is just not worth the effort as much nicer cars are just not that expensive. I don't know what your budget is but I have five Z600's and I was thinking about parting with one or two of them. They are all very noce cars from a very nice original that needs a little work to two very nice running driving cars, to a car that is 85% restored and just needs finishing. If you are serious about buying a Z600, please contact me and we can arrange to get you up here to have a look.
Also, we host the Gould's Annual Microcar & Minicar Classic Event here in Newton (near Boston), Massachusetts on July 12, 13 and 14, 2013. You are welcome to attend and see all of the unusual microcars and minicars that attend this European style driving event. Everyone else is also invited. It is three days of microcar lunacy including four driving tours, activities, parties, Memphis barbecue, frozen Margarita party and much, much more. Check out all of the details at
www.bubbledrome.com
Chas
--- In
anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
, Becky Flynn wrote:
> Well, the n600 didn't work out...but I found a z600 that looks pretty
> rough, although I think I can get it for at least $600. The only thing I'm
> worried about is it is going to need floor pans. I don't know if I should
> continue to save money and see if something better comes along, or go with
> it and pray the pans aren't that bad.
> On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 6:56 AM, richmccolman wrote:
> > **
> > I agree with Eric and Chas:
> > Mike O'Connor is located in Statesville, NC, and he knows the 600 cars
> > backwards and forwards. (Not too-too far from me, in fact -- I'm also
> > located in NC.)
> > Yes, the cam chain is definitely an issue with these little cars. The
> > stock ones will last about 40,000 to 60,000 miles before they stretch and
> > eventually jump the valve timing if not replaced. When that happens, the
> > valves can get bent. But that problem can be taken care of during an engine
> > rebuild. Some people replace the stock cam chains with heavier racing chain
> > that should last a lot longer.
> > There's no telling exactly what shape the engine is in until a
> > knowledgeable mechanic assesses it, and part of that assessment can't be
> > done without opening up the engine and looking inside. It's always possible
> > that someone mistreated it and did things like ran the engine with too
> > little oil, causing much internal wear.
> > How mechanically savvy are you, Becky? If you know a few things, you might
> > be able to scope out stuff like whether the engine has bent valves, if
> > you're interested. Regardless, much about the engine will be unknown until
> > somebody looks inside it.
> > Is it a really good price you'd be getting it for? A full engine rebuild,
> > or rebuilt replacement engine, could cost you a few thousand $$$ (~$3k,
> > maybe), so you probably don't want to sink too much into the car if you'll
> > have to also spend a nice chunk on the engine.
> > Brakes, in a car that's been sitting for that long, are probably not in
> > very good shape, I'm guessing. Those will likely need a good bit of work
> > too.
> > Do check up under the car and under floor mats, etc, for rusted places.
> > Sounds like you're tuned into that issue already, but it's a good idea to
> > check really closely. The readily-viewable parts of the body may look good,
> > but the underside could be a different story. So look carefully.
> > Good luck with it. I hope it'll work out for you to get and fix up the car!
> > Richard

[Becky Flynn]

My budget is around $2000. If I could afford to ship it too me I'd have a less rusty one.�

On May 9, 2013 9:04 AM, "Eric Geiger" wrote:
> �
> What's your budget Becky? Maybe someone here has a car they're sitting on that they might be willing to part with. � Like I said I have 2-3 extra cars that I need to part with atleast one. � Someone very well may have one they could get running so that > you already have a running car to start with and maybe just needs a brake job and some minor repairs to be road worthy. �Might not be the nicest looking but you can make it your own then still.�
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> On May 9, 2013, at 8:47 AM, "Chas" chasgould@...
> > wrote:
> > �
> > Hi Becky,
> > Don't buy a rusty Honda Z600. It is just not worth the effort as much nicer cars are just not that expensive. I don't know what your budget is but I have five Z600's and I was thinking about parting with one or two of them. They are all very noce cars > > from a very nice original that needs a little work to two very nice running driving cars, to a car that is 85% restored and just needs finishing. If you are serious about buying a Z600, please contact me and we can arrange to get you up here to have a look.�
> > Also, we host the Gould's Annual Microcar & Minicar Classic Event here in Newton (near Boston), Massachusetts on July 12, 13 and 14, 2013. You are welcome to attend and see all of the unusual microcars and minicars that attend this European style driving > > event. Everyone else is also invited. It is three days of microcar lunacy including four driving tours, activities, parties, Memphis barbecue, frozen Margarita party and much, much more. Check out all of the details at
> > www.bubbledrome.com
> > Chas
> > --- In
> > anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
> > , Becky Flynn wrote:
> > > Well, the n600 didn't work out...but I found a z600 that looks pretty
> > > rough, although I think I can get it for at least $600. The only thing I'm
> > > worried about is it is going to need floor pans. I don't know if I should
> > > continue to save money and see if something better comes along, or go with
> > > it and pray the pans aren't that bad.
> > >�
> > >�
> > > On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 6:56 AM, richmccolman wrote:
> > >�
> > > > **
> > > > I agree with Eric and Chas:
> > > > Mike O'Connor is located in Statesville, NC, and he knows the 600 cars
> > > > backwards and forwards. (Not too-too far from me, in fact -- I'm also
> > > > located in NC.)
> > > > Yes, the cam chain is definitely an issue with these little cars. The
> > > > stock ones will last about 40,000 to 60,000 miles before they stretch and
> > > > eventually jump the valve timing if not replaced. When that happens, the
> > > > valves can get bent. But that problem can be taken care of during an engine
> > > > rebuild. Some people replace the stock cam chains with heavier racing chain
> > > > that should last a lot longer.
> > > > There's no telling exactly what shape the engine is in until a
> > > > knowledgeable mechanic assesses it, and part of that assessment can't be
> > > > done without opening up the engine and looking inside. It's always possible
> > > > that someone mistreated it and did things like ran the engine with too
> > > > little oil, causing much internal wear.
> > > > How mechanically savvy are you, Becky? If you know a few things, you might
> > > > be able to scope out stuff like whether the engine has bent valves, if
> > > > you're interested. Regardless, much about the engine will be unknown until
> > > > somebody looks inside it.
> > > > Is it a really good price you'd be getting it for? A full engine rebuild,
> > > > or rebuilt replacement engine, could cost you a few thousand $$$ (~$3k,
> > > > maybe), so you probably don't want to sink too much into the car if you'll
> > > > have to also spend a nice chunk on the engine.
> > > > Brakes, in a car that's been sitting for that long, are probably not in
> > > > very good shape, I'm guessing. Those will likely need a good bit of work
> > > > too.
> > > > Do check up under the car and under floor mats, etc, for rusted places.
> > > > Sounds like you're tuned into that issue already, but it's a good idea to
> > > > check really closely. The readily-viewable parts of the body may look good,
> > > > but the underside could be a different story. So look carefully.
> > > > Good luck with it. I hope it'll work out for you to get and fix up the car!
> > > > Richard

[Eric Geiger]

There's a z600 on eBay right now.  Green in TX going for 1200. Looks to be pretty clean minimal rust.  Not much of a description though about what's going on with it.   That might be a good starter car.   I think it has new tires so atleast it should roll.
I've used uship before to ship cars with decent results.  It's pretty much like eBay for shipping anything. People will bid on your shipment.  You can go on the website and atleast get some estimates.   Make a dummy listing to see what people quote you to ship it.
Eric J. Geiger
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On May 9, 2013, at 10:56 AM, "Becky Flynn" wrote:
My budget is around $2000. If I could afford to ship it too me I'd have a less rusty one.
On May 9, 2013 9:04 AM, "Eric Geiger" wrote:
> What's your budget Becky? Maybe someone here has a car they're sitting on that they might be willing to part with.   Like I said I have 2-3 extra cars that I need to part with atleast one.   Someone very well may have one they could get running so that > you already have a running car to start with and maybe just needs a brake job and some minor repairs to be road worthy.  Might not be the nicest looking but you can make it your own then still.
> Eric J. Geiger
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> On May 9, 2013, at 8:47 AM, "Chas" chasgould@...
> > wrote:
> > Hi Becky,
> > Don't buy a rusty Honda Z600. It is just not worth the effort as much nicer cars are just not that expensive. I don't know what your budget is but I have five Z600's and I was thinking about parting with one or two of them. They are all very noce cars > > from a very nice original that needs a little work to two very nice running driving cars, to a car that is 85% restored and just needs finishing. If you are serious about buying a Z600, please contact me and we can arrange to get you up here to have a look.
> > Also, we host the Gould's Annual Microcar & Minicar Classic Event here in Newton (near Boston), Massachusetts on July 12, 13 and 14, 2013. You are welcome to attend and see all of the unusual microcars and minicars that attend this European style driving > > event. Everyone else is also invited. It is three days of microcar lunacy including four driving tours, activities, parties, Memphis barbecue, frozen Margarita party and much, much more. Check out all of the details at
> > www.bubbledrome.com
> > Chas
> > --- In
> > anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
> > , Becky Flynn wrote:
> > > Well, the n600 didn't work out...but I found a z600 that looks pretty
> > > rough, although I think I can get it for at least $600. The only thing I'm
> > > worried about is it is going to need floor pans. I don't know if I should
> > > continue to save money and see if something better comes along, or go with
> > > it and pray the pans aren't that bad.
> > > On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 6:56 AM, richmccolman wrote:
> > > > **
> > > > I agree with Eric and Chas:
> > > > Mike O'Connor is located in Statesville, NC, and he knows the 600 cars
> > > > backwards and forwards. (Not too-too far from me, in fact -- I'm also
> > > > located in NC.)
> > > > Yes, the cam chain is definitely an issue with these little cars. The
> > > > stock ones will last about 40,000 to 60,000 miles before they stretch and
> > > > eventually jump the valve timing if not replaced. When that happens, the
> > > > valves can get bent. But that problem can be taken care of during an engine
> > > > rebuild. Some people replace the stock cam chains with heavier racing chain
> > > > that should last a lot longer.
> > > > There's no telling exactly what shape the engine is in until a
> > > > knowledgeable mechanic assesses it, and part of that assessment can't be
> > > > done without opening up the engine and looking inside. It's always possible
> > > > that someone mistreated it and did things like ran the engine with too
> > > > little oil, causing much internal wear.
> > > > How mechanically savvy are you, Becky? If you know a few things, you might
> > > > be able to scope out stuff like whether the engine has bent valves, if
> > > > you're interested. Regardless, much about the engine will be unknown until
> > > > somebody looks inside it.
> > > > Is it a really good price you'd be getting it for? A full engine rebuild,
> > > > or rebuilt replacement engine, could cost you a few thousand $$$ (~$3k,
> > > > maybe), so you probably don't want to sink too much into the car if you'll
> > > > have to also spend a nice chunk on the engine.
> > > > Brakes, in a car that's been sitting for that long, are probably not in
> > > > very good shape, I'm guessing. Those will likely need a good bit of work
> > > > too.
> > > > Do check up under the car and under floor mats, etc, for rusted places.
> > > > Sounds like you're tuned into that issue already, but it's a good idea to
> > > > check really closely. The readily-viewable parts of the body may look good,
> > > > but the underside could be a different story. So look carefully.
> > > > Good luck with it. I hope it'll work out for you to get and fix up the car!
> > > > Richard

[Eric Geiger]

My mistake the car is in Tucson AZ.   I was just in Tucson a few days ago I wish I would have known about it cuz I would have checked it out for myself.
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On May 9, 2013, at 11:01 AM, "Eric Geiger" wrote:
There's a z600 on eBay right now.  Green in TX going for 1200. Looks to be pretty clean minimal rust.  Not much of a description though about what's going on with it.   That might be a good starter car.   I think it has new tires so atleast it should roll.
I've used uship before to ship cars with decent results.  It's pretty much like eBay for shipping anything. People will bid on your shipment.  You can go on the website and atleast get some estimates.   Make a dummy listing to see what people quote you to ship it.
Eric J. Geiger
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On May 9, 2013, at 10:56 AM, "Becky Flynn" wrote:
> My budget is around $2000. If I could afford to ship it too me I'd have a less rusty one.
> On May 9, 2013 9:04 AM, "Eric Geiger" egeiger@...
> > wrote:
> > What's your budget Becky? Maybe someone here has a car they're sitting on that they might be willing to part with.   Like I said I have 2-3 extra cars that I need to part with atleast one.   Someone very well may have one they could get running so that > > you already have a running car to start with and maybe just needs a brake job and some minor repairs to be road worthy.  Might not be the nicest looking but you can make it your own then still.
> > Eric J. Geiger
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> > On May 9, 2013, at 8:47 AM, "Chas" > chasgould@...
> > > wrote:
> > > Hi Becky,
> > > Don't buy a rusty Honda Z600. It is just not worth the effort as much nicer cars are just not that expensive. I don't know what your budget is but I have five Z600's and I was thinking about parting with one or two of them. They are all very noce cars > > > from a very nice original that needs a little work to two very nice running driving cars, to a car that is 85% restored and just needs finishing. If you are serious about buying a Z600, please contact me and we can arrange to get you up here to have a look.
> > > Also, we host the Gould's Annual Microcar & Minicar Classic Event here in Newton (near Boston), Massachusetts on July 12, 13 and 14, 2013. You are welcome to attend and see all of the unusual microcars and minicars that attend this European style driving > > > event. Everyone else is also invited. It is three days of microcar lunacy including four driving tours, activities, parties, Memphis barbecue, frozen Margarita party and much, much more. Check out all of the details at
> > > www.bubbledrome.com
> > > Chas
> > > --- In
> > > anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
> > > , Becky Flynn wrote:
> > > > Well, the n600 didn't work out...but I found a z600 that looks pretty
> > > > rough, although I think I can get it for at least $600. The only thing I'm
> > > > worried about is it is going to need floor pans. I don't know if I should
> > > > continue to save money and see if something better comes along, or go with
> > > > it and pray the pans aren't that bad.
> > > > On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 6:56 AM, richmccolman wrote:
> > > > > **
> > > > > I agree with Eric and Chas:
> > > > > Mike O'Connor is located in Statesville, NC, and he knows the 600 cars
> > > > > backwards and forwards. (Not too-too far from me, in fact -- I'm also
> > > > > located in NC.)
> > > > > Yes, the cam chain is definitely an issue with these little cars. The
> > > > > stock ones will last about 40,000 to 60,000 miles before they stretch and
> > > > > eventually jump the valve timing if not replaced. When that happens, the
> > > > > valves can get bent. But that problem can be taken care of during an engine
> > > > > rebuild. Some people replace the stock cam chains with heavier racing chain
> > > > > that should last a lot longer.
> > > > > There's no telling exactly what shape the engine is in until a
> > > > > knowledgeable mechanic assesses it, and part of that assessment can't be
> > > > > done without opening up the engine and looking inside. It's always possible
> > > > > that someone mistreated it and did things like ran the engine with too
> > > > > little oil, causing much internal wear.
> > > > > How mechanically savvy are you, Becky? If you know a few things, you might
> > > > > be able to scope out stuff like whether the engine has bent valves, if
> > > > > you're interested. Regardless, much about the engine will be unknown until
> > > > > somebody looks inside it.
> > > > > Is it a really good price you'd be getting it for? A full engine rebuild,
> > > > > or rebuilt replacement engine, could cost you a few thousand $$$ (~$3k,
> > > > > maybe), so you probably don't want to sink too much into the car if you'll
> > > > > have to also spend a nice chunk on the engine.
> > > > > Brakes, in a car that's been sitting for that long, are probably not in
> > > > > very good shape, I'm guessing. Those will likely need a good bit of work
> > > > > too.
> > > > > Do check up under the car and under floor mats, etc, for rusted places.
> > > > > Sounds like you're tuned into that issue already, but it's a good idea to
> > > > > check really closely. The readily-viewable parts of the body may look good,
> > > > > but the underside could be a different story. So look carefully.
> > > > > Good luck with it. I hope it'll work out for you to get and fix up the car!
> > > > > Richard

[Elias Baldwin]

Eric's right. Uship found an independent hauler (guy with Ford F-250 and trailer) for my Z that wasn't terribly expensive. You may have to wait a bit, but someone somewhere will have an empty truck or trailer and be headed your way. Even shipped from Zimbabwe, it'll be cheaper and less painful than bodywork. And I too was an impecunious college student when I bought my Z online and had it shipped. The fact was that I really, really wanted a solid car (after having owned a rotten one) and I figured I could deal with mechanicals, but not proper bodywork. After a few years of working and dutiful saving (no beer, no vacations, very used textbooks, taking the bus, etc.), it was a delightful moment when my car arrived.
The KEY with a long distance sale is rapport with the seller. Lots of pictures, phone conversations, etc. Even then I was still a bit nervous until my car showed up. But the seller had been very fair in his descriptions.

On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Eric Geiger
�
> My mistake the car is in Tucson AZ. � I was just in Tucson a few days ago I wish I would have known about it cuz I would have checked it out for myself. �
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> On May 9, 2013, at 11:01 AM, "Eric Geiger" egeiger@...
> > wrote:
> > �
> > There's a z600 on eBay right now. �Green in TX going for 1200. Looks to be pretty clean minimal rust. �Not much of a description though about what's going on with it. � That might be a good starter car. � I think it has new tires so atleast it should roll.�
> > I've used uship before to ship cars with decent results. �It's pretty much like eBay for shipping anything. People will bid on your shipment. �You can go on the website and atleast get some estimates. � Make a dummy listing to see what people quote you > > to ship it.�
> > Eric J. Geiger
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> > On May 9, 2013, at 10:56 AM, "Becky Flynn" > bfly1823@...
> > > wrote:
> > > �
> > > My budget is around $2000. If I could afford to ship it too me I'd have a less rusty one.�
> > > On May 9, 2013 9:04 AM, "Eric Geiger" > > egeiger@...
> > > > wrote:
> > > > �
> > > > What's your budget Becky? Maybe someone here has a car they're sitting on that they might be willing to part with. � Like I said I have 2-3 extra cars that I need to part with atleast one. � Someone very well may have one they could get running so that > > > > you already have a running car to start with and maybe just needs a brake job and some minor repairs to be road worthy. �Might not be the nicest looking but you can make it your own then still.�
> > > > Eric J. Geiger
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> > > > On May 9, 2013, at 8:47 AM, "Chas" > > > chasgould@...
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > �
> > > > > Hi Becky,
> > > > > Don't buy a rusty Honda Z600. It is just not worth the effort as much nicer cars are just not that expensive. I don't know what your budget is but I have five Z600's and I was thinking about parting with one or two of them. They are all very noce cars > > > > > from a very nice original that needs a little work to two very nice running driving cars, to a car that is 85% restored and just needs finishing. If you are serious about buying a Z600, please contact me and we can arrange to get you up here to have a look.�
> > > > > Also, we host the Gould's Annual Microcar & Minicar Classic Event here in Newton (near Boston), Massachusetts on July 12, 13 and 14, 2013. You are welcome to attend and see all of the unusual microcars and minicars that attend this European style driving > > > > > event. Everyone else is also invited. It is three days of microcar lunacy including four driving tours, activities, parties, Memphis barbecue, frozen Margarita party and much, much more. Check out all of the details at
> > > > > www.bubbledrome.com
> > > > > Chas
> > > > > --- In
> > > > > anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > , Becky Flynn wrote:
> > > > > > Well, the n600 didn't work out...but I found a z600 that looks pretty
> > > > > > rough, although I think I can get it for at least $600. The only thing I'm
> > > > > > worried about is it is going to need floor pans. I don't know if I should
> > > > > > continue to save money and see if something better comes along, or go with
> > > > > > it and pray the pans aren't that bad.
> > > > > >�
> > > > > >�
> > > > > > On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 6:56 AM, richmccolman wrote:
> > > > > >�
> > > > > > > **
> > > > > > > I agree with Eric and Chas:
> > > > > > > Mike O'Connor is located in Statesville, NC, and he knows the 600 cars
> > > > > > > backwards and forwards. (Not too-too far from me, in fact -- I'm also
> > > > > > > located in NC.)
> > > > > > > Yes, the cam chain is definitely an issue with these little cars. The
> > > > > > > stock ones will last about 40,000 to 60,000 miles before they stretch and
> > > > > > > eventually jump the valve timing if not replaced. When that happens, the
> > > > > > > valves can get bent. But that problem can be taken care of during an engine
> > > > > > > rebuild. Some people replace the stock cam chains with heavier racing chain
> > > > > > > that should last a lot longer.
> > > > > > > There's no telling exactly what shape the engine is in until a
> > > > > > > knowledgeable mechanic assesses it, and part of that assessment can't be
> > > > > > > done without opening up the engine and looking inside. It's always possible
> > > > > > > that someone mistreated it and did things like ran the engine with too
> > > > > > > little oil, causing much internal wear.
> > > > > > > How mechanically savvy are you, Becky? If you know a few things, you might
> > > > > > > be able to scope out stuff like whether the engine has bent valves, if
> > > > > > > you're interested. Regardless, much about the engine will be unknown until
> > > > > > > somebody looks inside it.
> > > > > > > Is it a really good price you'd be getting it for? A full engine rebuild,
> > > > > > > or rebuilt replacement engine, could cost you a few thousand $$$ (~$3k,
> > > > > > > maybe), so you probably don't want to sink too much into the car if you'll
> > > > > > > have to also spend a nice chunk on the engine.
> > > > > > > Brakes, in a car that's been sitting for that long, are probably not in
> > > > > > > very good shape, I'm guessing. Those will likely need a good bit of work
> > > > > > > too.
> > > > > > > Do check up under the car and under floor mats, etc, for rusted places.
> > > > > > > Sounds like you're tuned into that issue already, but it's a good idea to
> > > > > > > check really closely. The readily-viewable parts of the body may look good,
> > > > > > > but the underside could be a different story. So look carefully.
> > > > > > > Good luck with it. I hope it'll work out for you to get and fix up the car!
> > > > > > > Richard

[Becky Flynn]

There are a few in Ga, but they don't run and no matter how good it looks on the outside, I don't want to pay a ton for something that's not running. It's just frustrating because I want one now. The thought of waiting a full year just kills me.

On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 12:24 PM, Elias Baldwin
�
> Eric's right. Uship found an independent hauler (guy with Ford F-250 and trailer) for my Z that wasn't terribly expensive. You may have to wait a bit, but someone somewhere will have an empty truck or trailer and be headed your way. Even shipped from Zimbabwe, it'll be cheaper and less painful than bodywork. And I too was an impecunious college student when I bought my Z online and had it shipped. The fact was that I really, really wanted a solid car (after having owned a rotten one) and I figured I could deal with mechanicals, but not proper bodywork. After a few years of working and dutiful saving (no beer, no vacations, very used textbooks, taking the bus, etc.), it was a delightful moment when my car arrived.
> The KEY with a long distance sale is rapport with the seller. Lots of pictures, phone conversations, etc. Even then I was still a bit nervous until my car showed up. But the seller had been very fair in his descriptions.
> On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Eric Geiger
> egeiger@...
> wrote:
> > �
> > My mistake the car is in Tucson AZ. � I was just in Tucson a few days ago I wish I would have known about it cuz I would have checked it out for myself. �
> > Eric J. Geiger
> > ---------------------------------------
> > PRG Nocturne
> > XXX-XXX-XXXX
> > phone
> > XXX-XXX-XXXX
> > fax
> > XXX-XXX-XXXX
> > mobile
> > egeiger@...
> > www.prgnocturne.com
> > On May 9, 2013, at 11:01 AM, "Eric Geiger" > egeiger@...
> > > wrote:
> > > �
> > > There's a z600 on eBay right now. �Green in TX going for 1200. Looks to be pretty clean minimal rust. �Not much of a description though about what's going on with it. � That might be a good starter car. � I think it has new tires so atleast it should roll.�
> > > I've used uship before to ship cars with decent results. �It's pretty much like eBay for shipping anything. People will bid on your shipment. �You can go on the website and atleast get some estimates. � Make a dummy listing to see what people quote you > > > to ship it.�
> > > Eric J. Geiger
> > > ---------------------------------------
> > > PRG Nocturne
> > > XXX-XXX-XXXX
> > > phone
> > > XXX-XXX-XXXX
> > > fax
> > > XXX-XXX-XXXX
> > > mobile
> > > egeiger@...
> > > www.prgnocturne.com
> > > On May 9, 2013, at 10:56 AM, "Becky Flynn" > > bfly1823@...
> > > > wrote:
> > > > �
> > > > My budget is around $2000. If I could afford to ship it too me I'd have a less rusty one.�
> > > > On May 9, 2013 9:04 AM, "Eric Geiger" > > > egeiger@...
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > �
> > > > > What's your budget Becky? Maybe someone here has a car they're sitting on that they might be willing to part with. � Like I said I have 2-3 extra cars that I need to part with atleast one. � Someone very well may have one they could get running so that > > > > > you already have a running car to start with and maybe just needs a brake job and some minor repairs to be road worthy. �Might not be the nicest looking but you can make it your own then still.�
> > > > > Eric J. Geiger
> > > > > ---------------------------------------
> > > > > PRG Nocturne
> > > > > XXX-XXX-XXXX
> > > > > phone
> > > > > XXX-XXX-XXXX
> > > > > fax
> > > > > XXX-XXX-XXXX
> > > > > mobile
> > > > > egeiger@...
> > > > > www.prgnocturne.com
> > > > > On May 9, 2013, at 8:47 AM, "Chas" > > > > chasgould@...
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > �
> > > > > > Hi Becky,
> > > > > > Don't buy a rusty Honda Z600. It is just not worth the effort as much nicer cars are just not that expensive. I don't know what your budget is but I have five Z600's and I was thinking about parting with one or two of them. They are all very noce cars > > > > > > from a very nice original that needs a little work to two very nice running driving cars, to a car that is 85% restored and just needs finishing. If you are serious about buying a Z600, please contact me and we can arrange to get you up here to have a look.�
> > > > > > Also, we host the Gould's Annual Microcar & Minicar Classic Event here in Newton (near Boston), Massachusetts on July 12, 13 and 14, 2013. You are welcome to attend and see all of the unusual microcars and minicars that attend this European style driving > > > > > > event. Everyone else is also invited. It is three days of microcar lunacy including four driving tours, activities, parties, Memphis barbecue, frozen Margarita party and much, much more. Check out all of the details at
> > > > > > www.bubbledrome.com
> > > > > > Chas
> > > > > > --- In
> > > > > > anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > , Becky Flynn wrote:
> > > > > > > Well, the n600 didn't work out...but I found a z600 that looks pretty
> > > > > > > rough, although I think I can get it for at least $600. The only thing I'm
> > > > > > > worried about is it is going to need floor pans. I don't know if I should
> > > > > > > continue to save money and see if something better comes along, or go with
> > > > > > > it and pray the pans aren't that bad.
> > > > > > >�
> > > > > > >�
> > > > > > > On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 6:56 AM, richmccolman wrote:
> > > > > > >�
> > > > > > > > **
> > > > > > > > I agree with Eric and Chas:
> > > > > > > > Mike O'Connor is located in Statesville, NC, and he knows the 600 cars
> > > > > > > > backwards and forwards. (Not too-too far from me, in fact -- I'm also
> > > > > > > > located in NC.)
> > > > > > > > Yes, the cam chain is definitely an issue with these little cars. The
> > > > > > > > stock ones will last about 40,000 to 60,000 miles before they stretch and
> > > > > > > > eventually jump the valve timing if not replaced. When that happens, the
> > > > > > > > valves can get bent. But that problem can be taken care of during an engine
> > > > > > > > rebuild. Some people replace the stock cam chains with heavier racing chain
> > > > > > > > that should last a lot longer.
> > > > > > > > There's no telling exactly what shape the engine is in until a
> > > > > > > > knowledgeable mechanic assesses it, and part of that assessment can't be
> > > > > > > > done without opening up the engine and looking inside. It's always possible
> > > > > > > > that someone mistreated it and did things like ran the engine with too
> > > > > > > > little oil, causing much internal wear.
> > > > > > > > How mechanically savvy are you, Becky? If you know a few things, you might
> > > > > > > > be able to scope out stuff like whether the engine has bent valves, if
> > > > > > > > you're interested. Regardless, much about the engine will be unknown until
> > > > > > > > somebody looks inside it.
> > > > > > > > Is it a really good price you'd be getting it for? A full engine rebuild,
> > > > > > > > or rebuilt replacement engine, could cost you a few thousand $$$ (~$3k,
> > > > > > > > maybe), so you probably don't want to sink too much into the car if you'll
> > > > > > > > have to also spend a nice chunk on the engine.
> > > > > > > > Brakes, in a car that's been sitting for that long, are probably not in
> > > > > > > > very good shape, I'm guessing. Those will likely need a good bit of work
> > > > > > > > too.
> > > > > > > > Do check up under the car and under floor mats, etc, for rusted places.
> > > > > > > > Sounds like you're tuned into that issue already, but it's a good idea to
> > > > > > > > check really closely. The readily-viewable parts of the body may look good,
> > > > > > > > but the underside could be a different story. So look carefully.
> > > > > > > > Good luck with it. I hope it'll work out for you to get and fix up the car!
> > > > > > > > Richard

[Becky Flynn]

Although, if any of you have one you are willing to sell. I'm definitely interested.

On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 1:52 PM, Becky Flynn
There are a few in Ga, but they don't run and no matter how good it looks on the outside, I don't want to pay a ton for something that's not running. It's just frustrating because I want one now. The thought of waiting a full year just kills me.
> On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 12:24 PM, Elias Baldwin
> baldwinelias@...
> wrote:
> > �
> > Eric's right. Uship found an independent hauler (guy with Ford F-250 and trailer) for my Z that wasn't terribly expensive. You may have to wait a bit, but someone somewhere will have an empty truck or trailer and be headed your way. Even shipped from Zimbabwe, it'll be cheaper and less painful than bodywork. And I too was an impecunious college student when I bought my Z online and had it shipped. The fact was that I really, really wanted a solid car (after having owned a rotten one) and I figured I could deal with mechanicals, but not proper bodywork. After a few years of working and dutiful saving (no beer, no vacations, very used textbooks, taking the bus, etc.), it was a delightful moment when my car arrived.
> > The KEY with a long distance sale is rapport with the seller. Lots of pictures, phone conversations, etc. Even then I was still a bit nervous until my car showed up. But the seller had been very fair in his descriptions.
> > On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Eric Geiger
> > > egeiger@...
> > wrote:
> > > �
> > > My mistake the car is in Tucson AZ. � I was just in Tucson a few days ago I wish I would have known about it cuz I would have checked it out for myself. �
> > > Eric J. Geiger
> > > ---------------------------------------
> > > PRG Nocturne
> > > XXX-XXX-XXXX
> > > phone
> > > XXX-XXX-XXXX
> > > fax
> > > XXX-XXX-XXXX
> > > mobile
> > > egeiger@...
> > > www.prgnocturne.com
> > > On May 9, 2013, at 11:01 AM, "Eric Geiger" > > egeiger@...
> > > > wrote:
> > > > �
> > > > There's a z600 on eBay right now. �Green in TX going for 1200. Looks to be pretty clean minimal rust. �Not much of a description though about what's going on with it. � That might be a good starter car. � I think it has new tires so atleast it should roll.�
> > > > I've used uship before to ship cars with decent results. �It's pretty much like eBay for shipping anything. People will bid on your shipment. �You can go on the website and atleast get some estimates. � Make a dummy listing to see what people quote you > > > > to ship it.�
> > > > Eric J. Geiger
> > > > ---------------------------------------
> > > > PRG Nocturne
> > > > XXX-XXX-XXXX
> > > > phone
> > > > XXX-XXX-XXXX
> > > > fax
> > > > XXX-XXX-XXXX
> > > > mobile
> > > > egeiger@...
> > > > www.prgnocturne.com
> > > > On May 9, 2013, at 10:56 AM, "Becky Flynn" > > > bfly1823@...
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > �
> > > > > My budget is around $2000. If I could afford to ship it too me I'd have a less rusty one.�
> > > > > On May 9, 2013 9:04 AM, "Eric Geiger" > > > > egeiger@...
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > �
> > > > > > What's your budget Becky? Maybe someone here has a car they're sitting on that they might be willing to part with. � Like I said I have 2-3 extra cars that I need to part with atleast one. � Someone very well may have one they could get running so that > > > > > > you already have a running car to start with and maybe just needs a brake job and some minor repairs to be road worthy. �Might not be the nicest looking but you can make it your own then still.�
> > > > > > Eric J. Geiger
> > > > > > ---------------------------------------
> > > > > > PRG Nocturne
> > > > > > XXX-XXX-XXXX
> > > > > > phone
> > > > > > XXX-XXX-XXXX
> > > > > > fax
> > > > > > XXX-XXX-XXXX
> > > > > > mobile
> > > > > > egeiger@...
> > > > > > www.prgnocturne.com
> > > > > > On May 9, 2013, at 8:47 AM, "Chas" > > > > > chasgould@...
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > �
> > > > > > > Hi Becky,
> > > > > > > Don't buy a rusty Honda Z600. It is just not worth the effort as much nicer cars are just not that expensive. I don't know what your budget is but I have five Z600's and I was thinking about parting with one or two of them. They are all very noce cars > > > > > > > from a very nice original that needs a little work to two very nice running driving cars, to a car that is 85% restored and just needs finishing. If you are serious about buying a Z600, please contact me and we can arrange to get you up here to have a look.�
> > > > > > > Also, we host the Gould's Annual Microcar & Minicar Classic Event here in Newton (near Boston), Massachusetts on July 12, 13 and 14, 2013. You are welcome to attend and see all of the unusual microcars and minicars that attend this European style driving > > > > > > > event. Everyone else is also invited. It is three days of microcar lunacy including four driving tours, activities, parties, Memphis barbecue, frozen Margarita party and much, much more. Check out all of the details at
> > > > > > > www.bubbledrome.com
> > > > > > > Chas
> > > > > > > --- In
> > > > > > > anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > , Becky Flynn wrote:
> > > > > > > > Well, the n600 didn't work out...but I found a z600 that looks pretty
> > > > > > > > rough, although I think I can get it for at least $600. The only thing I'm
> > > > > > > > worried about is it is going to need floor pans. I don't know if I should
> > > > > > > > continue to save money and see if something better comes along, or go with
> > > > > > > > it and pray the pans aren't that bad.
> > > > > > > >�
> > > > > > > >�
> > > > > > > > On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 6:56 AM, richmccolman wrote:
> > > > > > > >�
> > > > > > > > > **
> > > > > > > > > I agree with Eric and Chas:
> > > > > > > > > Mike O'Connor is located in Statesville, NC, and he knows the 600 cars
> > > > > > > > > backwards and forwards. (Not too-too far from me, in fact -- I'm also
> > > > > > > > > located in NC.)
> > > > > > > > > Yes, the cam chain is definitely an issue with these little cars. The
> > > > > > > > > stock ones will last about 40,000 to 60,000 miles before they stretch and
> > > > > > > > > eventually jump the valve timing if not replaced. When that happens, the
> > > > > > > > > valves can get bent. But that problem can be taken care of during an engine
> > > > > > > > > rebuild. Some people replace the stock cam chains with heavier racing chain
> > > > > > > > > that should last a lot longer.
> > > > > > > > > There's no telling exactly what shape the engine is in until a
> > > > > > > > > knowledgeable mechanic assesses it, and part of that assessment can't be
> > > > > > > > > done without opening up the engine and looking inside. It's always possible
> > > > > > > > > that someone mistreated it and did things like ran the engine with too
> > > > > > > > > little oil, causing much internal wear.
> > > > > > > > > How mechanically savvy are you, Becky? If you know a few things, you might
> > > > > > > > > be able to scope out stuff like whether the engine has bent valves, if
> > > > > > > > > you're interested. Regardless, much about the engine will be unknown until
> > > > > > > > > somebody looks inside it.
> > > > > > > > > Is it a really good price you'd be getting it for? A full engine rebuild,
> > > > > > > > > or rebuilt replacement engine, could cost you a few thousand $$$ (~$3k,
> > > > > > > > > maybe), so you probably don't want to sink too much into the car if you'll
> > > > > > > > > have to also spend a nice chunk on the engine.
> > > > > > > > > Brakes, in a car that's been sitting for that long, are probably not in
> > > > > > > > > very good shape, I'm guessing. Those will likely need a good bit of work
> > > > > > > > > too.
> > > > > > > > > Do check up under the car and under floor mats, etc, for rusted places.
> > > > > > > > > Sounds like you're tuned into that issue already, but it's a good idea to
> > > > > > > > > check really closely. The readily-viewable parts of the body may look good,
> > > > > > > > > but the underside could be a different story. So look carefully.
> > > > > > > > > Good luck with it. I hope it'll work out for you to get and fix up the car!
> > > > > > > > > Richard

[Chas]

Hi Becky,
I sold a decent, non rusty runner for $2,500 last year, and they are still out there. Shipping will only add around $400 to $700 to the purchase price, and it is cheaper and less painful than bodywork. Also, unless an engine is compleely trashed, mechanical repairs should also be cheaper and less painful than bodywork, so you may consider rethinking your priorities.
Mechanical problems (except a completely engine rebuild) are relatively simple and inexpensive to address, whether you can afford to do it now or later, and others on this list may live close enough to actually come over to help you address these issues.
Rust repairs however, will take forever and cost a fortune and very few on this list will want to help deal with rust issues.
So, if you can get an honest description about why a car has not run, it might be better to buy a non runner over a rusted hulk that does run. Also, some car have not run in years simply becuase nobody tried to get them started. I have had incredible luck firing up literally hundreds of cars that were purchased as non runners, including three Honda Z600s!
Chas

--- In
anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
, Becky Flynn wrote:
> There are a few in Ga, but they don't run and no matter how good it looks
> on the outside, I don't want to pay a ton for something that's not running.
> It's just frustrating because I want one now. The thought of waiting a full
> year just kills me.
> On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 12:24 PM, Elias Baldwin wrote:
> > **
> > Eric's right. Uship found an independent hauler (guy with Ford F-250 and
> > trailer) for my Z that wasn't terribly expensive. You may have to wait a
> > bit, but someone somewhere will have an empty truck or trailer and be
> > headed your way. Even shipped from Zimbabwe, it'll be cheaper and less
> > painful than bodywork. And I too was an impecunious college student when I
> > bought my Z online and had it shipped. The fact was that I really, really
> > wanted a solid car (after having owned a rotten one) and I figured I could
> > deal with mechanicals, but not proper bodywork. After a few years of
> > working and dutiful saving (no beer, no vacations, very used textbooks,
> > taking the bus, etc.), it was a delightful moment when my car arrived.
> > The KEY with a long distance sale is rapport with the seller. Lots of
> > pictures, phone conversations, etc. Even then I was still a bit nervous
> > until my car showed up. But the seller had been very fair in his
> > descriptions.
> > On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Eric Geiger wrote:
> >> **
> >> My mistake the car is in Tucson AZ. I was just in Tucson a few days ago
> >> I wish I would have known about it cuz I would have checked it out for
> >> myself.
> >> Eric J. Geiger
> >> ---------------------------------------
> >> PRG Nocturne
> >> XXX-XXX-XXXX phone
> >> XXX-XXX-XXXX fax
> >> XXX-XXX-XXXX mobile
> >> egeiger@...
> >> www.prgnocturne.com
> >> On May 9, 2013, at 11:01 AM, "Eric Geiger"
> >> wrote:
> >> There's a z600 on eBay right now. Green in TX going for 1200. Looks to
> >> be pretty clean minimal rust. Not much of a description though about
> >> what's going on with it. That might be a good starter car. I think it
> >> has new tires so atleast it should roll.
> >> I've used uship before to ship cars with decent results. It's pretty
> >> much like eBay for shipping anything. People will bid on your shipment.
> >> You can go on the website and atleast get some estimates. Make a dummy
> >> listing to see what people quote you to ship it.
> >> Eric J. Geiger
> >> ---------------------------------------
> >> PRG Nocturne
> >> XXX-XXX-XXXX phone
> >> XXX-XXX-XXXX fax
> >> XXX-XXX-XXXX mobile
> >> egeiger@...
> >> www.prgnocturne.com
> >> On May 9, 2013, at 10:56 AM, "Becky Flynn" wrote:
> >> My budget is around $2000. If I could afford to ship it too me I'd have a
> >> less rusty one.
> >> On May 9, 2013 9:04 AM, "Eric Geiger" wrote:
> >>> **
> >>> What's your budget Becky? Maybe someone here has a car they're sitting
> >>> on that they might be willing to part with. Like I said I have 2-3 extra
> >>> cars that I need to part with atleast one. Someone very well may have one
> >>> they could get running so that you already have a running car to start with
> >>> and maybe just needs a brake job and some minor repairs to be road worthy.
> >>> Might not be the nicest looking but you can make it your own then still.
> >>> Eric J. Geiger
> >>> ---------------------------------------
> >>> PRG Nocturne
> >>> XXX-XXX-XXXX phone
> >>> XXX-XXX-XXXX fax
> >>> XXX-XXX-XXXX mobile
> >>> egeiger@...
> >>> www.prgnocturne.com
> >>> On May 9, 2013, at 8:47 AM, "Chas" wrote:
> >>> Hi Becky,
> >>> Don't buy a rusty Honda Z600. It is just not worth the effort as much
> >>> nicer cars are just not that expensive. I don't know what your budget is
> >>> but I have five Z600's and I was thinking about parting with one or two of
> >>> them. They are all very noce cars from a very nice original that needs a
> >>> little work to two very nice running driving cars, to a car that is 85%
> >>> restored and just needs finishing. If you are serious about buying a Z600,
> >>> please contact me and we can arrange to get you up here to have a look.
> >>> Also, we host the Gould's Annual Microcar & Minicar Classic Event here
> >>> in Newton (near Boston), Massachusetts on July 12, 13 and 14, 2013. You are
> >>> welcome to attend and see all of the unusual microcars and minicars that
> >>> attend this European style driving event. Everyone else is also invited. It
> >>> is three days of microcar lunacy including four driving tours, activities,
> >>> parties, Memphis barbecue, frozen Margarita party and much, much more.
> >>> Check out all of the details at www.bubbledrome.com
> >>> Chas
> >>> --- In
anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
, Becky Flynn
> >>> wrote:
> >>> > Well, the n600 didn't work out...but I found a z600 that looks pretty
> >>> > rough, although I think I can get it for at least $600. The only thing
> >>> I'm
> >>> > worried about is it is going to need floor pans. I don't know if I
> >>> should
> >>> > continue to save money and see if something better comes along, or go
> >>> with
> >>> > it and pray the pans aren't that bad.
> >>> > On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 6:56 AM, richmccolman wrote:
> >>> > > **
> >>> > > I agree with Eric and Chas:
> >>> > > Mike O'Connor is located in Statesville, NC, and he knows the 600
> >>> cars
> >>> > > backwards and forwards. (Not too-too far from me, in fact -- I'm also
> >>> > > located in NC.)
> >>> > > Yes, the cam chain is definitely an issue with these little cars. The
> >>> > > stock ones will last about 40,000 to 60,000 miles before they
> >>> stretch and
> >>> > > eventually jump the valve timing if not replaced. When that happens,
> >>> the
> >>> > > valves can get bent. But that problem can be taken care of during an
> >>> engine
> >>> > > rebuild. Some people replace the stock cam chains with heavier
> >>> racing chain
> >>> > > that should last a lot longer.
> >>> > > There's no telling exactly what shape the engine is in until a
> >>> > > knowledgeable mechanic assesses it, and part of that assessment
> >>> can't be
> >>> > > done without opening up the engine and looking inside. It's always
> >>> possible
> >>> > > that someone mistreated it and did things like ran the engine with
> >>> too
> >>> > > little oil, causing much internal wear.
> >>> > > How mechanically savvy are you, Becky? If you know a few things, you
> >>> might
> >>> > > be able to scope out stuff like whether the engine has bent valves,
> >>> if
> >>> > > you're interested. Regardless, much about the engine will be unknown
> >>> until
> >>> > > somebody looks inside it.
> >>> > > Is it a really good price you'd be getting it for? A full engine
> >>> rebuild,
> >>> > > or rebuilt replacement engine, could cost you a few thousand $$$
> >>> (~$3k,
> >>> > > maybe), so you probably don't want to sink too much into the car if
> >>> you'll
> >>> > > have to also spend a nice chunk on the engine.
> >>> > > Brakes, in a car that's been sitting for that long, are probably not
> >>> in
> >>> > > very good shape, I'm guessing. Those will likely need a good bit of
> >>> work
> >>> > > too.
> >>> > > Do check up under the car and under floor mats, etc, for rusted
> >>> places.
> >>> > > Sounds like you're tuned into that issue already, but it's a good
> >>> idea to
> >>> > > check really closely. The readily-viewable parts of the body may
> >>> look good,
> >>> > > but the underside could be a different story. So look carefully.
> >>> > > Good luck with it. I hope it'll work out for you to get and fix up
> >>> the car!
> >>> > > Richard

[Mike]

Becky,
I highly recommend expanding your search to farther places. Tennessee is a place where cars tend to rust due to the winters.
I travelled almost 1400 miles to get my Honda when I finally found a good one.
Travelling far to get a treasure that you really want can be a really fun adventure to.
good luck.
Mike.

--- In
anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
, Becky Flynn wrote:
> Although, if any of you have one you are willing to sell. I'm definitely
> interested.
> On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 1:52 PM, Becky Flynn wrote:
> > There are a few in Ga, but they don't run and no matter how good it looks
> > on the outside, I don't want to pay a ton for something that's not running.
> > It's just frustrating because I want one now. The thought of waiting a full
> > year just kills me.
> > On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 12:24 PM, Elias Baldwin wrote:
> >> **
> >> Eric's right. Uship found an independent hauler (guy with Ford F-250 and
> >> trailer) for my Z that wasn't terribly expensive. You may have to wait a
> >> bit, but someone somewhere will have an empty truck or trailer and be
> >> headed your way. Even shipped from Zimbabwe, it'll be cheaper and less
> >> painful than bodywork. And I too was an impecunious college student when I
> >> bought my Z online and had it shipped. The fact was that I really, really
> >> wanted a solid car (after having owned a rotten one) and I figured I could
> >> deal with mechanicals, but not proper bodywork. After a few years of
> >> working and dutiful saving (no beer, no vacations, very used textbooks,
> >> taking the bus, etc.), it was a delightful moment when my car arrived.
> >> The KEY with a long distance sale is rapport with the seller. Lots of
> >> pictures, phone conversations, etc. Even then I was still a bit nervous
> >> until my car showed up. But the seller had been very fair in his
> >> descriptions.
> >> On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Eric Geiger wrote:
> >>> **
> >>> My mistake the car is in Tucson AZ. I was just in Tucson a few days
> >>> ago I wish I would have known about it cuz I would have checked it out for
> >>> myself.
> >>> Eric J. Geiger
> >>> ---------------------------------------
> >>> PRG Nocturne
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> >>> On May 9, 2013, at 11:01 AM, "Eric Geiger"
> >>> wrote:
> >>> There's a z600 on eBay right now. Green in TX going for 1200. Looks
> >>> to be pretty clean minimal rust. Not much of a description though about
> >>> what's going on with it. That might be a good starter car. I think it
> >>> has new tires so atleast it should roll.
> >>> I've used uship before to ship cars with decent results. It's pretty
> >>> much like eBay for shipping anything. People will bid on your shipment.
> >>> You can go on the website and atleast get some estimates. Make a dummy
> >>> listing to see what people quote you to ship it.
> >>> Eric J. Geiger
> >>> ---------------------------------------
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> >>> On May 9, 2013, at 10:56 AM, "Becky Flynn" wrote:
> >>> My budget is around $2000. If I could afford to ship it too me I'd have
> >>> a less rusty one.
> >>> On May 9, 2013 9:04 AM, "Eric Geiger" wrote:
> >>>> **
> >>>> What's your budget Becky? Maybe someone here has a car they're sitting
> >>>> on that they might be willing to part with. Like I said I have 2-3 extra
> >>>> cars that I need to part with atleast one. Someone very well may have one
> >>>> they could get running so that you already have a running car to start with
> >>>> and maybe just needs a brake job and some minor repairs to be road worthy.
> >>>> Might not be the nicest looking but you can make it your own then still.
> >>>> Eric J. Geiger
> >>>> ---------------------------------------
> >>>> PRG Nocturne
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> >>>> egeiger@...
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> >>>> On May 9, 2013, at 8:47 AM, "Chas" wrote:
> >>>> Hi Becky,
> >>>> Don't buy a rusty Honda Z600. It is just not worth the effort as much
> >>>> nicer cars are just not that expensive. I don't know what your budget is
> >>>> but I have five Z600's and I was thinking about parting with one or two of
> >>>> them. They are all very noce cars from a very nice original that needs a
> >>>> little work to two very nice running driving cars, to a car that is 85%
> >>>> restored and just needs finishing. If you are serious about buying a Z600,
> >>>> please contact me and we can arrange to get you up here to have a look.
> >>>> Also, we host the Gould's Annual Microcar & Minicar Classic Event here
> >>>> in Newton (near Boston), Massachusetts on July 12, 13 and 14, 2013. You are
> >>>> welcome to attend and see all of the unusual microcars and minicars that
> >>>> attend this European style driving event. Everyone else is also invited. It
> >>>> is three days of microcar lunacy including four driving tours, activities,
> >>>> parties, Memphis barbecue, frozen Margarita party and much, much more.
> >>>> Check out all of the details at www.bubbledrome.com
> >>>> Chas
> >>>> --- In
anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
, Becky Flynn
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>> > Well, the n600 didn't work out...but I found a z600 that looks pretty
> >>>> > rough, although I think I can get it for at least $600. The only
> >>>> thing I'm
> >>>> > worried about is it is going to need floor pans. I don't know if I
> >>>> should
> >>>> > continue to save money and see if something better comes along, or go
> >>>> with
> >>>> > it and pray the pans aren't that bad.
> >>>> > On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 6:56 AM, richmccolman
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>> > > **
> >>>> > > I agree with Eric and Chas:
> >>>> > > Mike O'Connor is located in Statesville, NC, and he knows the 600
> >>>> cars
> >>>> > > backwards and forwards. (Not too-too far from me, in fact -- I'm
> >>>> also
> >>>> > > located in NC.)
> >>>> > > Yes, the cam chain is definitely an issue with these little cars.
> >>>> The
> >>>> > > stock ones will last about 40,000 to 60,000 miles before they
> >>>> stretch and
> >>>> > > eventually jump the valve timing if not replaced. When that
> >>>> happens, the
> >>>> > > valves can get bent. But that problem can be taken care of during
> >>>> an engine
> >>>> > > rebuild. Some people replace the stock cam chains with heavier
> >>>> racing chain
> >>>> > > that should last a lot longer.
> >>>> > > There's no telling exactly what shape the engine is in until a
> >>>> > > knowledgeable mechanic assesses it, and part of that assessment
> >>>> can't be
> >>>> > > done without opening up the engine and looking inside. It's always
> >>>> possible
> >>>> > > that someone mistreated it and did things like ran the engine with
> >>>> too
> >>>> > > little oil, causing much internal wear.
> >>>> > > How mechanically savvy are you, Becky? If you know a few things,
> >>>> you might
> >>>> > > be able to scope out stuff like whether the engine has bent valves,
> >>>> if
> >>>> > > you're interested. Regardless, much about the engine will be
> >>>> unknown until
> >>>> > > somebody looks inside it.
> >>>> > > Is it a really good price you'd be getting it for? A full engine
> >>>> rebuild,
> >>>> > > or rebuilt replacement engine, could cost you a few thousand $$$
> >>>> (~$3k,
> >>>> > > maybe), so you probably don't want to sink too much into the car if
> >>>> you'll
> >>>> > > have to also spend a nice chunk on the engine.
> >>>> > > Brakes, in a car that's been sitting for that long, are probably
> >>>> not in
> >>>> > > very good shape, I'm guessing. Those will likely need a good bit of
> >>>> work
> >>>> > > too.
> >>>> > > Do check up under the car and under floor mats, etc, for rusted
> >>>> places.
> >>>> > > Sounds like you're tuned into that issue already, but it's a good
> >>>> idea to
> >>>> > > check really closely. The readily-viewable parts of the body may
> >>>> look good,
> >>>> > > but the underside could be a different story. So look carefully.
> >>>> > > Good luck with it. I hope it'll work out for you to get and fix up
> >>>> the car!
> >>>> > > Richard