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2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
, wrote:
> Eric,
> Way over the top, but it looks great. Are we looking at the engine with
> the cylinder shrouds removed for maintenance or are you running the car they
> way?
> Bill
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> Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2010 10:15 AM
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> Subject: [2cylinderhondas] Oiling and cooler (was Bonneville Honda)
> Unfortunately I'm one of those people that can't remember the different AN
> fitting sizes, so I'll have to take a closer look at the system to see what
> size hoses I'm using.
> Bill's adapter removes the stock paper filter element. It has an "out" and
> an "in" fitting.
> From the "out" fitting we run a line to an very large external oil filter
> (the same filter a Ford 302 would run) - and we've got an aftermarket larger
> capacity (and more efficient) oil filter. A little ways after the filter we
> have a T fitting. Off of it comes a smaller line that feeds the head, and
> one that is the same size as the "out" line that goes to the "in" section on
> Bill's adapter. (When we run a cooler, the cooler goes between the "out" and
> the oil filter, so that the oil going into the head has been cooled also.)
> The smaller line for the head travels maybe 2 or 3 feet to another "T"
> fitting where we break off two equal size lines to the top of the head.
> (Remember - we don't have oil flowing up the cylinders to feed the cam/top
> end and one main bearing via gravity.)
> You can see the lines to the top of the head here:
http://images.garagecity.com/49/97/f1_i ... n.orig.jpg
> The photo is a little confusing - there are two lines with brass fittings
> that are the fuel injectors. The two fittings with the blue 90 degree
> fittings are where the oil get dumped into the top end.
> Besides the benefit of cooling the oil, you also add a quart to a quart
> and a half more capacity, which I think is a plus.
> I think next time we'll put some rare-earth magnets inside the oil filter
> and maybe even epoxied inside the case.
> --- In
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
, "lyletrudell"
> wrote:
> > I have my oil pump out. How about some more detail on the modified oil
> path from the oil cooler. The oil cooler to me is the best addition to any
> air cooled engine. I am not racing but better oiling is always a good thing.
> > Thanks
> > Lyle
> > Craft59@
> > --- In
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
, "jpro8071" wrote:
> > > We run Bill's oil cooler. Plus the oil to feed the top end (cam) (and
> one of the mains via gravity) is fed from a feed off of the oil cooler. So
> the oil that feeds the top basically does NOT go up cylinders, which helps
> to keep it cooler.
> > > Plus we ran Mile's remanufactured oil pump.
> > > --- In
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
, "lyletrudell"
> wrote:
> > > > Yes, the crank is a weak point for sure, the new crank should be a
> good way to save some engines.
> > > > The oil pump system also is a weak link, have you done anything with
> the pump?
> > > > Lyle
> > > > --- In
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
, "jpro8071"
> wrote:
> > > > > For production you do have to stay stock in the valve
> configuration, so only 2 valves for the Z/N 600s. (You can change the port
> angle if you've got the time and $$.)
> > > > > And we did offset the bore (and re-sleeve) to comfortably get the
> 700cc size. 750 can be done, but I'd rather spend the whole week racing than
> melt down the first day after spending a year preparing.
> > > > > I've talked more with my sponsor about building cranks. He's
> gotten a bit more excited by the idea, which is why I posted the poll on
> after-market cranks. (My goal would be to come up with something so I can
> get my 750cc motor, and everyone else can get a new crank/piston setup that
> gets them a little more displacement and power along with the comfort of
> knowing it's new and should last a long time . . . )
> > > > > --- In
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
, "lyletrudell"
> wrote:
> > > > > > Wow, that is some open rules.
> > > > > > The "Stock block" really opens it up for a 4 valve head design!
> > > > > > Maybe Re-sleeve the block, offset wider so you can bore it out
> to 750.
> > > > > > So many high tech engines out today to take parts from.
> > > > > > I would love to go see the cars run.
> > > > > > The worlds fastest Indian was a cool movie!
> > > > > > Lyle
> > > > > > --- In
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
, "jpro8071"
> wrote:
> > > > > > > The class is actually limited to 750cc, and since newer
> production cars can run EFI, they allow older cars to. (There is a "classic"
> production class for larger displacement - carbs or mechanical fuel
> injection only.)
> > > > > > > My sponsor was only comfortable pushing things to 700cc. I'm
> pretty sure that 750cc has been done on a stock stroke, but it makes for
> very thin cylinder walls. There are also some issues with space for sealing
> the head gasket.
> > > > > > > The two main parts of the production class is having the
> "stock" block, and the body having the stock configuration.
> > > > > > > Bonneville is quite an experience. You can really get up close
> and "look under the hood" of most of the cars. People are really friendly,
> like to answer questions. If anyone out there plans on running a vehicle, I
> highly advise attending once to spectate. Get a feel for the process,
> environment, rules, etc..
> > > > > > > And of course if anyone plans on going out to spectate, let me
> know. If I'm out there I'm happy to share my pits and perhaps show you
> around.
> > > > > > > --- In
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
, "lyletrudell"
> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Nice job on the car. Like the ignition system and fuel
> injection.
> > > > > > > > Are you in a stock under 700cc class? I didn't think you
> could modify the car that much without going into the unlimited class.
> > > > > > > > Bonneville would be so cool to go watch or run.
> > > > > > > > Lyle
> > > > > > > > --- In
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
, "jpro8071"
> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > You can read more here:
http://jdmtown.garagecity.com/600hondaavenue/97//
> > > > > > > > > I'm pretty sure they were water cut, but I could be wrong.
> > > > > > > > > --- In
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
, "lyletrudell"
> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > jpro, your Bonneville Honda sounds interesting, where do
> I go to see what you have done? Pictures/info.
> > > > > > > > > > Good idea with the copper gasket.
> > > > > > > > > > Do you get them laser cut or water jet?
> > > > > > > > > > A cheap way for a batch run.
> > > > > > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > > > > > Lyle
> > > > > > > > > > --- In
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
, "jpro8071"
> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > I just read my post and realized it wasn't that
> clear - I'm talking about head gaskets made from one piece of copper with no
> other gasket material involved.
> > > > > > > > > > > --- In
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
, "jpro8071"
> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > Since no water is involved, all copper head gaskets
> work great. We've been using them on the Bonneville Honda for years with
> great success. PM me if you have interest in getting one and I'll see what
> sort of bulk deal I can arrange.
