Electric Pump Alternatives?

[Ray]

Hi,
On the way to work today, (5 miles from home), the car just died...
Oh Crud. Any way I coast to the next drive and pull in. try to start
the car and when I turn the key I hear the pump just clicking it's
little heart out. So I pull up the back seat and use my trusty swiss
army knife (thanks MacGuiver) to unscrew the cover and tighten all the
clamps on every thing, (the filter was empty). That didn't work. The
next phase was to beat the living heck out of the top of the pump with
the afore mentioned swiss army knife. That worked. The pump worked
and I drove it home grabbed the newer car. Anyway, I have 2 other
pumps that work, But I want to mount the filter in a more accesable
location under the hood. What has everybody done to replace their fuel
pump?
Like I said, I don't know if this pump just had a bit of trash in it,
or what, but I don't trust it now.
What did you guys do?
I believe that some lawnmowers used an electric fuel pump. I bet there
is a tractor of about 30 hp that used an electric as well.
Any thoughts?
KCandtheZ

[Paige Hunt]

hi--
MY story is exactly the same as yours--MY (worthless bleeping ) piece of you-know-what fuel pump gave me fits (it's in BRAND-NEW condition). i adjusted the points (made it last about 25 mmiles at a time) then finally bought a self-limiting (volume-wise) rotary-type (modern) style and stuffed it into the original location--works like a charm (can't tell you what a relief it is not to have the tiny car quit on me in the middle of the freeway or intersection).--just make sure you get something with around a 3-gallon per minute rating (with self-stopper) and you'll be good.fuel economy is still around 45--still have the ORIGINAL pump in new condition for making the car TOTALLY stock (but undriveable). LONG LIVE THE SWISS ARMY KNIFE!!!--mine has saved me a hundred times (and counting)
paige kcandthez wrote:

> Hi,
> On the way to work today, (5 miles from home), the car just died...
> Oh Crud. Any way I coast to the next drive and pull in. try to start > the car and when I turn the key I hear the pump just clicking it's > little heart out. So I pull up the back seat and use my trusty swiss > army knife (thanks MacGuiver) to unscrew the cover and tighten all the > clamps on every thing, (the filter was empty). That didn't work. The > next phase was to beat the living heck out of the top of the pump with > the afore mentioned swiss army knife. That worked. The pump worked > and I drove it home grabbed the newer car. Anyway, I have 2 other > pumps > that work, But I want to mount the filter in a more accesable > location under the hood. What has everybody done to replace their fuel > pump?
> Like I said, I don't know if this pump just had a bit of trash in it, > or what, but I don't trust it now.
> What did you guys do?
> I believe that some lawnmowers used an electric fuel pump. I bet there > is a tractor of about 30 hp that used an electric as well.
> Any thoughts?
> KCandtheZ
Paige Hunt
325 Benton St.
Santa Rosa, CA 95401
(707)
542-8311
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[zinc2u]

You can buy an electric fuel pump and stick it under the hood if you want.  You can buy the brass splices at Home Depot to allow you to tie lines together and extend the fuel line under the hood.  You can keep the fuel filter under the rear seat and let the pump be under the hood.
Also, you don't have to use the original style fuel filter.  You can use one of the inexpensive inline filters (metal or plastic) and place it under the seat or under the hood.  You used the stock filter because that was the only thing which would fit under the seat.  Without the space limitation,  you can pick other filters.  The fuel pump should be 4 psi which is what most electric fuel pumps for older cars with a carb will be rated.  Double check your connections so you do not get any fuel leaks.
I have found the stock fuel pumps to be reliable.  I have several cars which still work with their original pumps.  The problem pumps I have found were on cars which sat for long periods of time.   Perhaps some moisture settled in the pump and caused some corrosion.  Using an aftermarket pump is a quick fix and they are easy to find.  Get one for a
carbureted car and not fuel injected.
good luck,
Dale

> the
> afore mentioned swiss army knife. That worked. The pump worked > and I drove > it home grabbed the newer car. Anyway, I have 2 other > pumps that work, But > I want to mount the filter in a more accesable > location under the hood.
> What has everybody done to replace their fuel
> pump?

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[jeffanson2005]

Hi all!
I had this problem 2 weeks ago, but already replaced the stock pump
with a new one 3-4psi and car ran great for a week then died on
morning on the way to work. Here's what I found.
It took 20 minutes to remove the gas tank. Dropped it after draining
it. In the course of draining the tank, i did not see any corrosion
from rust which may have accumulated before I bought the car. But
when I got the tank out, pulled the gas level indicator, I was able
to shake out (no kidding) 4 handfulls of rust. WOW! Cleaned the
tank so far by dropping some heavy chain inside and shaking it real
good and banging and shaking out any more rust.
Also the pickup tube which comes from the inside bottom of the tank
to your fuel line was so clogged, I could not blow through it. I
managed to bend a coat hanger wire and break up the clog from the
inside then sucked it out with a shop vac and line is clear now.
This was the problem the whole time. Even gave me that loud clicking
sound some of you hear when the fuel pump cant pull any gas into the
pump. So I followed Bills' advice on tank restoration and purchased
etch and sealer from the Hirsch restoration web site. ($28) I'm
letting the etch dry now and hope to seal it up on Friday.
Hope this info helps you guys and gals who are having the same
problem.
Jeff
72 Z600

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2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
, goinhm@... wrote:
> You can buy an electric fuel pump and stick it under the hood if
you want.
> You can buy the brass splices at Home Depot to allow you to tie
lines
> together and extend the fuel line under the hood. You can keep
the fuel filter
> under the rear seat and let the pump be under the hood. Also, you
don't have to
> use the original style fuel filter. You can use one of the
inexpensive
> inline filters (metal or plastic) and place it under the seat or
under the hood.
> You used the stock filter because that was the only thing which
would fit
> under the seat. Without the space limitation, you can pick other
filters. The
> fuel pump should be 4 psi which is what most electric fuel pumps
for older
> cars with a carb will be rated. Double check your connections so
you do not
> get any fuel leaks.
> I have found the stock fuel pumps to be reliable. I have several
cars which
> still work with their original pumps. The problem pumps I have
found were
> on cars which sat for long periods of time. Perhaps some
moisture settled in
> the pump and caused some corrosion. Using an aftermarket pump is
a quick
> fix and they are easy to find. Get one for a carbureted car and
not fuel
> injected.
> good luck,
> Dale
> the afore mentioned swiss army knife. That worked. The pump worked
> and I drove it home grabbed the newer car. Anyway, I have 2 other
> pumps that work, But I want to mount the filter in a more
accesable
> location under the hood. What has everybody done to replace their
fuel
> pump?
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[friend]

Now you are getting the job done Jeff.
    What many don't see happening is that rust forms pockets under several layers of dried fuel, amounting to a sealing agent until fresh fuel is put into the fuel tank.  As the layers of old fuel are dissolved from the inside of the tank these rust pockets are opened to the inside of your fuel tank and it starts to clog....   Steam cleaning or etching removes the old fuel.  Rattling a chain... etc around inside of the tank helps to break up the rust.  But, the tank still needs to be sealed.  And, you must follow the instructions to the letter.
Doing so will ensure you have trouble free use of your older car.
Bill

> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com [mailto:2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com] > On > Behalf Of > jeffanson2005 > Sent:
> Wednesday, November 21, 2007 7:31
> PM
> To:
> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> Subject:
> [2cylinderhondas] Re: Electric Pump Alternatives?
> Hi all!
> I had this problem 2 weeks ago, but already replaced the
> stock pump
> with a new one 3-4psi and car ran great for a week then died on
> morning on the way to work. Here's what I found.
> It took 20 minutes
> to remove the gas tank. Dropped it after draining
> it. In the course of
> draining the tank, i did not see any corrosion
> from rust which may have
> accumulated before I bought the car. But
> when I got the tank out, pulled
> the gas level indicator, I was able
> to shake out (no kidding) 4 handfulls
> of rust. WOW! Cleaned the
> tank so far by dropping some heavy chain inside
> and shaking it real
> good and banging and shaking out any more
> rust.
> Also the pickup tube which comes from the inside bottom of the > tank > to your fuel line was so clogged, I could not blow through it. I
> managed to bend a coat hanger wire and break up the clog from the
> inside then sucked it out with a shop vac and line is clear now.
> This
> was the problem the whole time. Even gave me that loud clicking > sound some > of you hear when the fuel pump cant pull any gas into the > pump. So I > followed Bills' advice on tank restoration and purchased > etch and sealer > from the Hirsch restoration web site. ($28) I'm > letting the etch dry now > and hope to seal it up on Friday.
> Hope this info helps you guys and
> gals who are having the same
> problem.
> Jeff
> 72 Z600
> --- In
> 2cylinderhondas@ yahoogroups. com
> ,
> goinhm@... wrote:
> > You can buy an electric fuel pump
> and stick it under the hood if
> you want.
> > You can buy the brass
> splices at Home Depot to allow you to tie
> lines
> > together and
> extend the fuel line under the hood. You can keep
> the fuel filter
> under the rear seat and let the pump be under the hood. Also, you > don't > have to > > use the original style fuel filter. You can use one of the
> inexpensive
> > inline filters (metal or plastic) and place it under
> the seat or
> under the hood.
> > You used the stock filter because
> that was the only thing which
> would fit
> > under the seat. Without
> the space limitation, you can pick other
> filters. The
> > fuel pump
> should be 4 psi which is what most electric fuel pumps
> for older
> cars with a carb will be rated. Double check your connections so > you do > not > > get any fuel leaks.
> > I have found the stock fuel
> pumps to be reliable. I have several
> cars which
> > still work with
> their original pumps. The problem pumps I have
> found were
> > on cars
> which sat for long periods of time. Perhaps some
> moisture settled in
> > the pump and caused some corrosion. Using an aftermarket pump is
> a quick
> > fix and they are easy to find. Get one for a carbureted
> car and
> not fuel
> > injected.
> > good luck,
> Dale
> > the afore mentioned swiss army knife. That worked. The
> pump worked
> > and I drove it home grabbed the newer car. Anyway, I have > 2 other > > pumps that work, But I want to mount the filter in a more
> accesable
> > location under the hood. What has everybody done to
> replace their
> fuel
> > pump?
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[lewsslew]

I think you're right, Jeff. My experience with the 600's is if the
fuel pump is clicking, often it's starving for fule from the tank.
I've even seen the end of the pick up tube rust away.
Lewi
AZ600- Blue

[Ray]

Fixed the Problem, When I replaced the tank, I mis-aligned the pump
inlet hose. The pump was sucking straight from the tank then pushing
the gas through the filter to the carb. The diaphram for the pump
was pluged open by the debris from the tank. Any way that problem is
fixed. I hope. Gas isn't my problem now, it's the points.
Thanks,
KCandtheZ