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Kevin Lister
Posts: 74
Joined: Mon Aug 14, 2006 3:24 pm

Re: Kumho tires

Post by Kevin Lister »

Hi Alan,
Is that because most of the cars out there are of the smaller variety?
Isn't it mostly the US that runs around in big cars?
kev
From:
Alan Stanyon To:
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com Sent:
Thursday, June 21, 2012 2:16 AM Subject:
RE: [2cylinderhondas] Re: Kumho tires
In the UK here we can get 165/70 10 and 145/80 10 tyres "off the shelf" its the spare parts we find hard to get!
Alan
To: 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com From: lyletrudell@...
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 01:35:42 +0000 Subject: [2cylinderhondas] Re: Kumho tires
Tire heat is important. Our Honda 600's use 145/80R-10 tires.
I love math and racing, so think of this....
The formula is: section width X Aspect ratio X 2 divided by 25.4 + rim Diameter = tire Diameter.
So 145 X .8 = 116 x 2 = 232 divided by 25.4 = 9.13 + 10 = 19.13" tire diameter.
Now take 19.13" dia X 3.14159 = 60.1" tire circumference. About 5ft distance traveled per revolution. 5280ft in a mile divided by 5ft = 1056. So the Honda tires are rotating at 1056rpm's at 60mph! That is about twice as fast as my F150 tires are rotating. But the Honda tire only carries about 400 pounds per tire.
So weight, rpm, G-load....
I still think we are way below what these tires can handle.
I think any DOT approved tire will be fine.
My 2 cents Lyle --- In mailto:2cylinderhondas%40yahoogroups.com , Kevin Lister wrote:
> I believe heat is very important.
> �
> Heat is not just imortant with regards to tires but pretty much anything with moving parts. I don't think DOT ratings matter much as long as the tire is not asked to do more than it was designed to do. That's all I was trying to say. ;o) > � > kev
> From: "jbmkwaj@..."
> To:
mailto:2cylinderhondas%40yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 2:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [2cylinderhondas] Kumho tires
> �
> Actually heat has nothing to do wit it.
DOT just means they were tested and approved along with the extra insurance required. Non DOT can have a much higher rating if they were race tires, or exactly the same rubber if not. When the first KUHMO tires first came out the big truck tires saidright on them not to exceed 50 MPH. WHO knows.....use um or don't.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kevin Lister
> To: 2cylinderhondas Sent: Wed, Jun 20, 2012 2:03 pm
> Subject: Re: [2cylinderhondas] Kumho tires
> �
> Doesn't it come down to heat? Since the 600's had an estimated top speed of 75MPH I'd think the heat on the tire would not be that great. So, non-DOT tires are likely to be safe since the
600's aren't going to be pushed to hard.
> �
> On the freeway I typically cruise between 60 and 70MPH. So, the heat on the tires is likely to be low.
> What do you folks think?
> kev
> From: "jbmkwaj@..."
> To:
mailto:2cylinderhondas%40yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 12:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [2cylinderhondas] Kumho tires
> �
> One other aspect... Back in the early 70's I used to run Goodyear garden tractor tires on my N600. ( wide tires) They had a street type tread. I bought a few sets of these and they worked great. They are no longer made and no they were not DOT approved, but I wasn't much DOT approved back then either.
There is available DOT approved golf cart tires nowadays and of course non DOT tires. Someone is going to jump in here and say non DOT tires will kill you and everyone on the hi-way but that is pure bullshit. Some non dot tires are racing tires rated for hi-speed. OH by the way, some will also say if you are in a wreck the LEOS will check your tires for the stamp, more bullshit.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Baer
> To: 2cylinderhondas Sent: Wed, Jun 20, 2012 12:13 pm
> Subject: Re: [2cylinderhondas] Kumho tires
> �
> I did find FALKEN 145/80x10 Tires at
MiniMania.com
@ $89 each, have 4 on order,
called prior to placing order and they had 8 in stock.�  Hopefully be here in 3 days.�  Not Kumho but something that at least rolls is� better than the dry-rot it's sitting on right now.
> On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 10:52 AM, Kevin Lister wrote:
> �
> >Yeah. I'm not surprised.
> >�
> >Like I said. Many places advertise they have the tires but when you actually talk to them on the phone or you try to order them online you find out that they don't have them.
> >�
> >kev
> >From: Mark P Hatten
> >To:
mailto:2cylinderhondas%40yahoogroups.com
> >Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 3:08 PM
> >Subject: RE:
[2cylinderhondas] Kumho tires
> >�
> >I tried Les Schwab with no luck
> >�
http://www.mphspecialties.com/
> >�
> >�
> >�
> >�
> >To:
mailto:2cylinderhondas%40yahoogroups.com
> >From: fisherfam05@...
> >Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:43:46 -0700
> >Subject: Re: [2cylinderhondas] Kumho tires
> >�
> >Les Schwab tire can get them...not sure of the exact brand...though.
> >Sent via DroidX2 on Verizon Wireless��
> >-----Original
message-----
> >From: Kevin Lister
> >>To: "
mailto:2cylinderhondas%40yahoogroups.com
" >>Sent: Tue, Jun 19, 2012 19:12:32 GMT+00:00
> >>Subject: Re: [2cylinderhondas] Kumho tires
> >>�
> >>Actually, there are several places that list them for sale but they� may not� actually have them.
> >>�
> >>I've been buying Kumho tires for my Sedan for years and last time I tried to get the tires online they were not available.
> >>�
>>Last time I got tires I tried America's, TireRack, etc. Nobody had them.
> >>�
> >>I ended up getting a set from a guy on eBay for a good price.
> >>�
> >>I keep hoping that Kumho will make a run of them so that we have tires to put on our cars.
> >>�
> >>kev
> >>From: David Baer
> >>To:
mailto:2cylinderhondas%40yahoogroups.com
> >>Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 6:29 AM
> >>Subject: Re: [2cylinderhondas] Kumho tires
> >>�
> >>"America's Tire" sells them.�  I just checked last week.
> >>On Mon, Jun 18, 2012
at 10:12 PM, eric.geiger wrote:
> >>�
> >>>does anyone have a new or new-ish Kuhmo tire size 145/80 R10??
> >>>the full name is Kuhmo Power Star
> >>>i have 3 like new ones and 1 that is blown out from damage.
> >>>please let me know if you have one you want to sell or know where to buy one.
> >>>Thanks!!!
> >>--
> >>David F. Baer
> >>469 Ena Rd., Apt. #1311
> >>Honolulu, HI 96815
> >>Cell:�  XXX-XXX-XXXX
> --
> David F. Baer
> 469 Ena
Rd., Apt. #1311
> Honolulu, HI 96815
> Cell:�  XXX-XXX-XXXX
Alan Stanyon
Posts: 34
Joined: Sat Feb 19, 2011 4:53 pm

Re: Kumho tires

Post by Alan Stanyon »

Hi Kev the average size engine in the uk is under 1.6 litre (i dont know in cu inches) the tax or road duty is doubled ie �220 on engines above 1.6 litre,  the Mini from the 70s is a classic and many are daily drivers so tyres (or is that tires) in 10 inch sizes are readily available on my Z i have a set of 165/70/10s on 6 inch wide rims easy to get!
Alan
To: 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com From: misterpoopoohead@...
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 09:54:53 -0700 Subject: Re: [2cylinderhondas] Re: Kumho tires
Hi Alan,
Is that because most of the cars out there are of the smaller variety?
Isn't it mostly the US that runs around in big cars?
kev
From:
Alan Stanyon To:
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com Sent:
Thursday, June 21, 2012 2:16 AM Subject:
RE: [2cylinderhondas] Re: Kumho tires
In the UK here we can get 165/70 10 and 145/80 10 tyres "off the shelf" its the spare parts we find hard to get!
Alan
To: 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com From: lyletrudell@...
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 01:35:42 +0000 Subject: [2cylinderhondas] Re: Kumho tires
Tire heat is important. Our Honda 600's use 145/80R-10 tires.
I love math and racing, so think of this....
The formula is: section width X Aspect ratio X 2 divided by 25.4 + rim Diameter = tire Diameter.
So 145 X .8 = 116 x 2 = 232 divided by 25.4 = 9.13 + 10 = 19.13" tire diameter.
Now take 19.13" dia X 3.14159 = 60.1" tire circumference. About 5ft distance traveled per revolution. 5280ft in a mile divided by 5ft = 1056. So the Honda tires are rotating at 1056rpm's at 60mph! That is about twice as fast as my F150 tires are rotating. But the Honda tire only carries about 400 pounds per tire.
So weight, rpm, G-load....
I still think we are way below what these tires can handle.
I think any DOT approved tire will be fine.
My 2 cents Lyle
--- In
mailto:2cylinderhondas%40yahoogroups.com
, Kevin Lister wrote:
> I believe heat is very important.
> �
> Heat is not just imortant with regards to tires but pretty much anything with moving parts. I don't think DOT ratings matter much as long as the tire is not asked to do more than it was designed to do. That's all I was trying to say. ;o) > � > kev
> From: "jbmkwaj@..."
> To:
mailto:2cylinderhondas%40yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 2:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [2cylinderhondas] Kumho tires
> �
> Actually heat has nothing to do wit it. DOT just means they were tested and approved along with the extra insurance required. Non DOT can have a much higher rating if they were race tires, or exactly the same rubber if not. When the first KUHMO tires first came out the big truck tires saidright on them not to exceed 50 MPH. WHO knows.....use um or don't.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kevin Lister
> To: 2cylinderhondas Sent: Wed, Jun 20, 2012 2:03 pm
> Subject: Re: [2cylinderhondas] Kumho tires
> �
> Doesn't it come down to heat? Since the 600's had an estimated top speed of 75MPH I'd think the heat on the tire would not be that great. So, non-DOT tires are likely to be safe since the 600's aren't going to be pushed to hard.
> �
> On the freeway I typically cruise between 60 and 70MPH. So, the heat on the tires is likely to be low.
> What do you folks think?
> kev
> From: "jbmkwaj@..."
> To:
mailto:2cylinderhondas%40yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 12:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [2cylinderhondas] Kumho tires
> �
> One other aspect... Back in the early 70's I used to run Goodyear garden tractor tires on my N600. ( wide tires) They had a street type tread. I bought a few sets of these and they worked great. They are no longer made and no they were not DOT approved, but I wasn't much DOT approved back then either. There is available DOT approved golf cart tires nowadays and of course non DOT tires. Someone is going to jump in here and say non DOT tires will kill you and everyone on the hi-way but that is pure bullshit. Some non dot tires are racing tires rated for hi-speed. OH by the way, some will also say if you are in a wreck the LEOS will check your tires for the stamp, more bullshit.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Baer
> To: 2cylinderhondas Sent: Wed, Jun 20, 2012 12:13 pm
> Subject: Re: [2cylinderhondas] Kumho tires
> �
> I did find FALKEN 145/80x10 Tires at
MiniMania.com
@ $89 each, have 4 on order, called prior to placing order and they had 8 in stock.�  Hopefully be here in 3 days.�  Not Kumho but something that at least rolls is� better than the dry-rot it's sitting on right now.
> On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 10:52 AM, Kevin Lister wrote:
> �
> >Yeah. I'm not surprised.
> >�
> >Like I said. Many places advertise they have the tires but when you actually talk to them on the phone or you try to order them online you find out that they don't have them.
> >�
> >kev
> >From: Mark P Hatten
> >To:
mailto:2cylinderhondas%40yahoogroups.com
> >Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 3:08 PM
> >Subject: RE: [2cylinderhondas] Kumho tires
> >�
> >I tried Les Schwab with no luck
> >�
http://www.mphspecialties.com/
> >�
> >�
> >�
> >�
> >To:
mailto:2cylinderhondas%40yahoogroups.com
> >From: fisherfam05@...
> >Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:43:46 -0700
> >Subject: Re: [2cylinderhondas] Kumho tires
> >�
> >Les Schwab tire can get them...not sure of the exact brand...though.
> >Sent via DroidX2 on Verizon Wireless��
> >-----Original message-----
> >From: Kevin Lister
> >>To: "
mailto:2cylinderhondas%40yahoogroups.com
" >>Sent: Tue, Jun 19, 2012 19:12:32 GMT+00:00
> >>Subject: Re: [2cylinderhondas] Kumho tires
> >>�
> >>Actually, there are several places that list them for sale but they� may not� actually have them.
> >>�
> >>I've been buying Kumho tires for my Sedan for years and last time I tried to get the tires online they were not available.
> >>�
> >>Last time I got tires I tried America's, TireRack, etc. Nobody had them.
> >>�
> >>I ended up getting a set from a guy on eBay for a good price.
> >>�
> >>I keep hoping that Kumho will make a run of them so that we have tires to put on our cars.
> >>�
> >>kev
> >>From: David Baer
> >>To:
mailto:2cylinderhondas%40yahoogroups.com
> >>Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 6:29 AM
> >>Subject: Re: [2cylinderhondas] Kumho tires
> >>�
> >>"America's Tire" sells them.�  I just checked last week.
> >>On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 10:12 PM, eric.geiger wrote:
> >>�
> >>>does anyone have a new or new-ish Kuhmo tire size 145/80 R10??
> >>>the full name is Kuhmo Power Star
> >>>i have 3 like new ones and 1 that is blown out from damage.
> >>>please let me know if you have one you want to sell or know where to buy one.
> >>>Thanks!!!
> >>--
> >>David F. Baer
> >>469 Ena Rd., Apt. #1311
> >>Honolulu, HI 96815
> >>Cell:�  XXX-XXX-XXXX
> --
> David F. Baer
> 469 Ena Rd., Apt. #1311
> Honolulu, HI 96815
> Cell:�  XXX-XXX-XXXX
Kevin Lister
Posts: 74
Joined: Mon Aug 14, 2006 3:24 pm

Re: Kumho tires

Post by Kevin Lister »

Wow! 1.6 litre (or is that liter)!
The US is chock full of 300+HP V8's and V6's and of course there are a few V12's running around!
We are starting to get the small-car mentality but it is going to be a slow road. Pun intended.
kev
From:
Alan Stanyon To:
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com Sent:
Monday, June 25, 2012 3:42 PM Subject:
RE: [2cylinderhondas] Re: Kumho tires
Hi Kev the average size engine in the uk is under 1.6 litre (i dont know in cu inches) the tax or road duty is doubled ie �220 on engines above 1.6 litre,  the Mini from the 70s is a classic and many are daily drivers so tyres (or is that tires) in 10 inch sizes are readily available on my Z i have a set of 165/70/10s on 6 inch wide rims easy to get!
Alan
To: 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com From: misterpoopoohead@...
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 09:54:53 -0700 Subject: Re: [2cylinderhondas] Re: Kumho tires
Hi Alan,
Is that because most of the cars out there are of the smaller variety?
Isn't it mostly the US that runs around in big cars?
kev
From:
Alan Stanyon To:
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com Sent:
Thursday, June 21, 2012 2:16 AM Subject:
RE: [2cylinderhondas] Re: Kumho tires
In the UK here we can get 165/70 10 and 145/80 10 tyres "off the shelf" its the spare parts we find hard to get!
Alan
To: 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com From: lyletrudell@...
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 01:35:42 +0000 Subject: [2cylinderhondas] Re: Kumho tires
Tire heat is important. Our Honda 600's use 145/80R-10 tires.
I love math and racing, so think of this....
The formula is: section width X Aspect ratio X 2 divided by 25.4 + rim Diameter = tire Diameter.
So 145 X .8 = 116 x 2 = 232 divided by 25.4 = 9.13 + 10 = 19.13" tire diameter.
Now take 19.13" dia X 3.14159 = 60.1" tire circumference. About 5ft distance traveled per revolution. 5280ft in a mile divided by 5ft = 1056. So the Honda tires are rotating at 1056rpm's at 60mph! That is about twice as fast as my F150 tires are rotating. But the Honda tire only carries about 400 pounds per tire.
So weight, rpm, G-load....
I still think we are way below what these tires can handle.
I think any DOT approved tire will be fine.
My 2 cents Lyle --- In mailto:2cylinderhondas%40yahoogroups.com , Kevin Lister wrote:
> I believe heat is very important.
> �
> Heat is not just imortant with regards to tires but pretty much anything with moving parts. I don't think DOT ratings matter much as long as the tire is not asked to do more than it was designed to do. That's all I was trying to say. ;o) > � > kev
> From: "jbmkwaj@..."
> To:
mailto:2cylinderhondas%40yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 2:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [2cylinderhondas] Kumho tires
> �
> Actually heat has nothing to do wit it.
DOT just means they were tested and approved along with the extra insurance required. Non DOT can have a much higher rating if they were race tires, or exactly the same rubber if not. When the first KUHMO tires first came out the big truck tires saidright on them not to exceed 50 MPH. WHO knows.....use um or don't.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kevin Lister
> To: 2cylinderhondas Sent: Wed, Jun 20, 2012 2:03 pm
> Subject: Re: [2cylinderhondas] Kumho tires
> �
> Doesn't it come down to heat? Since the 600's had an estimated top speed of 75MPH I'd think the heat on the tire would not be that great. So, non-DOT tires are likely to be safe since the
600's aren't going to be pushed to hard.
> �
> On the freeway I typically cruise between 60 and 70MPH. So, the heat on the tires is likely to be low.
> What do you folks think?
> kev
> From: "jbmkwaj@..."
> To:
mailto:2cylinderhondas%40yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 12:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [2cylinderhondas] Kumho tires
> �
> One other aspect... Back in the early 70's I used to run Goodyear garden tractor tires on my N600. ( wide tires) They had a street type tread. I bought a few sets of these and they worked great. They are no longer made and no they were not DOT approved, but I wasn't much DOT approved back then either.
There is available DOT approved golf cart tires nowadays and of course non DOT tires. Someone is going to jump in here and say non DOT tires will kill you and everyone on the hi-way but that is pure bullshit. Some non dot tires are racing tires rated for hi-speed. OH by the way, some will also say if you are in a wreck the LEOS will check your tires for the stamp, more bullshit.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Baer
> To: 2cylinderhondas Sent: Wed, Jun 20, 2012 12:13 pm
> Subject: Re: [2cylinderhondas] Kumho tires
> �
> I did find FALKEN 145/80x10 Tires at
MiniMania.com
@ $89 each, have
4 on order, called prior to placing order and they had 8 in stock.�  Hopefully be here in 3 days.�  Not Kumho but something that at least rolls is� better than the dry-rot it's sitting on right now.
> On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 10:52 AM, Kevin Lister wrote:
> �
> >Yeah. I'm not surprised.
> >�
> >Like I said. Many places advertise they have the tires but when you actually talk to them on the phone or you try to order them online you find out that they don't have them.
> >�
> >kev
> >From: Mark P Hatten
> >To:
mailto:2cylinderhondas%40yahoogroups.com
> >Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 3:08 PM
>Subject: RE: [2cylinderhondas] Kumho tires
> >�
> >I tried Les Schwab with no luck
> >�
http://www.mphspecialties.com/
> >�
> >�
> >�
> >�
> >To:
mailto:2cylinderhondas%40yahoogroups.com
> >From: fisherfam05@...
> >Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:43:46 -0700
> >Subject: Re: [2cylinderhondas] Kumho tires
> >�
> >Les Schwab tire can get them...not sure of the exact brand...though.
> >Sent via DroidX2 on Verizon Wireless��
> >-----Original
message-----
> >From: Kevin Lister
> >>To: "
mailto:2cylinderhondas%40yahoogroups.com
" >>Sent: Tue, Jun 19, 2012 19:12:32 GMT+00:00
> >>Subject: Re: [2cylinderhondas] Kumho tires
> >>�
> >>Actually, there are several places that list them for sale but they� may not� actually have them.
> >>�
> >>I've been buying Kumho tires for my Sedan for years and last time I tried to get the tires online they were not available.
> >>�
>>Last time I got tires I tried America's, TireRack, etc. Nobody had them.
> >>�
> >>I ended up getting a set from a guy on eBay for a good price.
> >>�
> >>I keep hoping that Kumho will make a run of them so that we have tires to put on our cars.
> >>�
> >>kev
> >>From: David Baer
> >>To:
mailto:2cylinderhondas%40yahoogroups.com
> >>Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 6:29 AM
> >>Subject: Re: [2cylinderhondas] Kumho tires
> >>�
> >>"America's Tire" sells them.�  I just checked last week.
> >>On Mon, Jun 18, 2012
at 10:12 PM, eric.geiger wrote:
> >>�
> >>>does anyone have a new or new-ish Kuhmo tire size 145/80 R10??
> >>>the full name is Kuhmo Power Star
> >>>i have 3 like new ones and 1 that is blown out from damage.
> >>>please let me know if you have one you want to sell or know where to buy one.
> >>>Thanks!!!
> >>--
> >>David F. Baer
> >>469 Ena Rd., Apt. #1311
> >>Honolulu, HI 96815
> >>Cell:�  XXX-XXX-XXXX
> --
> David F. Baer
> 469 Ena
Rd., Apt. #1311
> Honolulu, HI 96815
> Cell:�  XXX-XXX-XXXX
Alan Stanyon
Posts: 34
Joined: Sat Feb 19, 2011 4:53 pm

Re: Kumho tires

Post by Alan Stanyon »

I got a Citroen c3 diesel 1.4 litre 16 valve 95 bhp turbo for her indoors,  tax is �30 a  year and it does 65 mpg! not as much fun as the Z but a very practical daily drive.
Alan
To: 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com From: misterpoopoohead@...
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 16:01:50 -0700 Subject: Re: [2cylinderhondas] Re: Kumho tires
Wow! 1.6 litre (or is that liter)!
The US is chock full of 300+HP V8's and V6's and of course there are a few V12's running around!
We are starting to get the small-car mentality but it is going to be a slow road. Pun intended.
kev
From:
Alan Stanyon To:
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com Sent:
Monday, June 25, 2012 3:42 PM Subject:
RE: [2cylinderhondas] Re: Kumho tires
Hi Kev the average size engine in the uk is under 1.6 litre (i dont know in cu inches) the tax or road duty is doubled ie �220 on engines above 1.6 litre,  the Mini from the 70s is a classic and many are daily drivers so tyres (or is that tires) in 10 inch sizes are readily available on my Z i have a set of 165/70/10s on 6 inch wide rims easy to get!
Alan
To: 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com From: misterpoopoohead@...
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 09:54:53 -0700 Subject: Re: [2cylinderhondas] Re: Kumho tires
Hi Alan,
Is that because most of the cars out there are of the smaller variety?
Isn't it mostly the US that runs around in big cars?
kev
From:
Alan Stanyon To:
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com Sent:
Thursday, June 21, 2012 2:16 AM Subject:
RE: [2cylinderhondas] Re: Kumho tires
In the UK here we can get 165/70 10 and 145/80 10 tyres "off the shelf" its the spare parts we find hard to get!
Alan
To: 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com From: lyletrudell@...
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 01:35:42 +0000 Subject: [2cylinderhondas] Re: Kumho tires
Tire heat is important. Our Honda 600's use 145/80R-10 tires.
I love math and racing, so think of this....
The formula is: section width X Aspect ratio X 2 divided by 25.4 + rim Diameter = tire Diameter.
So 145 X .8 = 116 x 2 = 232 divided by 25.4 = 9.13 + 10 = 19.13" tire diameter.
Now take 19.13" dia X 3.14159 = 60.1" tire circumference. About 5ft distance traveled per revolution. 5280ft in a mile divided by 5ft = 1056. So the Honda tires are rotating at 1056rpm's at 60mph! That is about twice as fast as my F150 tires are rotating. But the Honda tire only carries about 400 pounds per tire.
So weight, rpm, G-load....
I still think we are way below what these tires can handle.
I think any DOT approved tire will be fine.
My 2 cents Lyle
--- In
mailto:2cylinderhondas%40yahoogroups.com
, Kevin Lister wrote:
> I believe heat is very important.
> �
> Heat is not just imortant with regards to tires but pretty much anything with moving parts. I don't think DOT ratings matter much as long as the tire is not asked to do more than it was designed to do. That's all I was trying to say. ;o) > � > kev
> From: "jbmkwaj@..."
> To:
mailto:2cylinderhondas%40yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 2:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [2cylinderhondas] Kumho tires
> �
> Actually heat has nothing to do wit it. DOT just means they were tested and approved along with the extra insurance required. Non DOT can have a much higher rating if they were race tires, or exactly the same rubber if not. When the first KUHMO tires first came out the big truck tires saidright on them not to exceed 50 MPH. WHO knows.....use um or don't.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kevin Lister
> To: 2cylinderhondas Sent: Wed, Jun 20, 2012 2:03 pm
> Subject: Re: [2cylinderhondas] Kumho tires
> �
> Doesn't it come down to heat? Since the 600's had an estimated top speed of 75MPH I'd think the heat on the tire would not be that great. So, non-DOT tires are likely to be safe since the 600's aren't going to be pushed to hard.
> �
> On the freeway I typically cruise between 60 and 70MPH. So, the heat on the tires is likely to be low.
> What do you folks think?
> kev
> From: "jbmkwaj@..."
> To:
mailto:2cylinderhondas%40yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 12:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [2cylinderhondas] Kumho tires
> �
> One other aspect... Back in the early 70's I used to run Goodyear garden tractor tires on my N600. ( wide tires) They had a street type tread. I bought a few sets of these and they worked great. They are no longer made and no they were not DOT approved, but I wasn't much DOT approved back then either. There is available DOT approved golf cart tires nowadays and of course non DOT tires. Someone is going to jump in here and say non DOT tires will kill you and everyone on the hi-way but that is pure bullshit. Some non dot tires are racing tires rated for hi-speed. OH by the way, some will also say if you are in a wreck the LEOS will check your tires for the stamp, more bullshit.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Baer
> To: 2cylinderhondas Sent: Wed, Jun 20, 2012 12:13 pm
> Subject: Re: [2cylinderhondas] Kumho tires
> �
> I did find FALKEN 145/80x10 Tires at
MiniMania.com
@ $89 each, have 4 on order, called prior to placing order and they had 8 in stock.�  Hopefully be here in 3 days.�  Not Kumho but something that at least rolls is� better than the dry-rot it's sitting on right now.
> On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 10:52 AM, Kevin Lister wrote:
> �
> >Yeah. I'm not surprised.
> >�
> >Like I said. Many places advertise they have the tires but when you actually talk to them on the phone or you try to order them online you find out that they don't have them.
> >�
> >kev
> >From: Mark P Hatten
> >To:
mailto:2cylinderhondas%40yahoogroups.com
> >Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 3:08 PM
> >Subject: RE: [2cylinderhondas] Kumho tires
> >�
> >I tried Les Schwab with no luck
> >�
http://www.mphspecialties.com/
> >�
> >�
> >�
> >�
> >To:
mailto:2cylinderhondas%40yahoogroups.com
> >From: fisherfam05@...
> >Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:43:46 -0700
> >Subject: Re: [2cylinderhondas] Kumho tires
> >�
> >Les Schwab tire can get them...not sure of the exact brand...though.
> >Sent via DroidX2 on Verizon Wireless��
> >-----Original message-----
> >From: Kevin Lister
> >>To: "
mailto:2cylinderhondas%40yahoogroups.com
" >>Sent: Tue, Jun 19, 2012 19:12:32 GMT+00:00
> >>Subject: Re: [2cylinderhondas] Kumho tires
> >>�
> >>Actually, there are several places that list them for sale but they� may not� actually have them.
> >>�
> >>I've been buying Kumho tires for my Sedan for years and last time I tried to get the tires online they were not available.
> >>�
> >>Last time I got tires I tried America's, TireRack, etc. Nobody had them.
> >>�
> >>I ended up getting a set from a guy on eBay for a good price.
> >>�
> >>I keep hoping that Kumho will make a run of them so that we have tires to put on our cars.
> >>�
> >>kev
> >>From: David Baer
> >>To:
mailto:2cylinderhondas%40yahoogroups.com
> >>Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 6:29 AM
> >>Subject: Re: [2cylinderhondas] Kumho tires
> >>�
> >>"America's Tire" sells them.�  I just checked last week.
> >>On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 10:12 PM, eric.geiger wrote:
> >>�
> >>>does anyone have a new or new-ish Kuhmo tire size 145/80 R10??
> >>>the full name is Kuhmo Power Star
> >>>i have 3 like new ones and 1 that is blown out from damage.
> >>>please let me know if you have one you want to sell or know where to buy one.
> >>>Thanks!!!
> >>--
> >>David F. Baer
> >>469 Ena Rd., Apt. #1311
> >>Honolulu, HI 96815
> >>Cell:�  XXX-XXX-XXXX
> --
> David F. Baer
> 469 Ena Rd., Apt. #1311
> Honolulu, HI 96815
> Cell:�  XXX-XXX-XXXX
Kevin Lister
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Re: Kumho tires

Post by Kevin Lister »

I'm lucky if I get 20mpg in my SUV!
From:
Alan Stanyon To:
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com Sent:
Tuesday, June 26, 2012 1:05 AM Subject:
RE: [2cylinderhondas] Re: Kumho tires
I got a Citroen c3 diesel 1.4 litre 16 valve 95 bhp turbo for her indoors,  tax is �30 a  year and it does 65 mpg! not as much fun as the Z but a very practical daily drive.
Alan
To: 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com From: misterpoopoohead@...
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 16:01:50 -0700 Subject: Re: [2cylinderhondas] Re: Kumho tires
Wow! 1.6 litre (or is that liter)!
The US is chock full of 300+HP V8's and V6's and of course there are a few V12's running around!
We are starting to get the small-car mentality but it is going to be a slow road. Pun intended.
kev
From:
Alan Stanyon To:
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com Sent:
Monday, June 25, 2012 3:42 PM Subject:
RE: [2cylinderhondas] Re: Kumho tires
Hi Kev the average size engine in the uk is under 1.6 litre (i dont know in cu inches) the tax or road duty is doubled ie �220 on engines above 1.6 litre,  the Mini from the 70s is a classic and many are daily drivers so tyres (or is that tires) in 10 inch sizes are readily available on my Z i have a set of 165/70/10s on 6 inch wide rims easy to get!
Alan
To: 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com From: misterpoopoohead@...
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 09:54:53 -0700 Subject: Re: [2cylinderhondas] Re: Kumho tires
Hi Alan,
Is that because most of the cars out there are of the smaller variety?
Isn't it mostly the US that runs around in big cars?
kev
From:
Alan Stanyon To:
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com Sent:
Thursday, June 21, 2012 2:16 AM Subject:
RE: [2cylinderhondas] Re: Kumho tires
In the UK here we can get 165/70 10 and 145/80 10 tyres "off the shelf" its the spare parts we find hard to get!
Alan
To: 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com From: lyletrudell@...
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 01:35:42 +0000 Subject: [2cylinderhondas] Re: Kumho tires
Tire heat is important. Our Honda 600's use 145/80R-10 tires.
I love math and racing, so think of this....
The formula is: section width X Aspect ratio X 2 divided by 25.4 + rim Diameter = tire Diameter.
So 145 X .8 = 116 x 2 = 232 divided by 25.4 = 9.13 + 10 = 19.13" tire diameter.
Now take 19.13" dia X 3.14159 = 60.1" tire circumference. About 5ft distance traveled per revolution. 5280ft in a mile divided by 5ft = 1056. So the Honda tires are rotating at 1056rpm's at 60mph! That is about twice as fast as my F150 tires are rotating. But the Honda tire only carries about 400 pounds per tire.
So weight, rpm, G-load....
I still think we are way below what these tires can handle.
I think any DOT approved tire will be fine.
My 2 cents Lyle --- In mailto:2cylinderhondas%40yahoogroups.com , Kevin Lister wrote:
> I believe heat is very important.
> �
> Heat is not just imortant with regards to tires but pretty much anything with moving parts. I don't think DOT ratings matter much as long as the tire is not asked to do more than it was designed to do. That's all I was trying to say. ;o) > � > kev
> From: "jbmkwaj@..."
> To:
mailto:2cylinderhondas%40yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 2:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [2cylinderhondas] Kumho tires
> �
> Actually heat has nothing to do wit it.
DOT just means they were tested and approved along with the extra insurance required. Non DOT can have a much higher rating if they were race tires, or exactly the same rubber if not. When the first KUHMO tires first came out the big truck tires saidright on them not to exceed 50 MPH. WHO knows.....use um or don't.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kevin Lister
> To: 2cylinderhondas Sent: Wed, Jun 20, 2012 2:03 pm
> Subject: Re: [2cylinderhondas] Kumho tires
> �
> Doesn't it come down to heat? Since the 600's had an estimated top speed of 75MPH I'd think the heat on the tire would not be that great. So, non-DOT tires are likely to be safe since the
600's aren't going to be pushed to hard.
> �
> On the freeway I typically cruise between 60 and 70MPH. So, the heat on the tires is likely to be low.
> What do you folks think?
> kev
> From: "jbmkwaj@..."
> To:
mailto:2cylinderhondas%40yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 12:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [2cylinderhondas] Kumho tires
> �
> One other aspect... Back in the early 70's I used to run Goodyear garden tractor tires on my N600. ( wide tires) They had a street type tread. I bought a few sets of these and they worked great. They are no longer made and no they were not DOT approved, but I wasn't much DOT approved back then either.
There is available DOT approved golf cart tires nowadays and of course non DOT tires. Someone is going to jump in here and say non DOT tires will kill you and everyone on the hi-way but that is pure bullshit. Some non dot tires are racing tires rated for hi-speed. OH by the way, some will also say if you are in a wreck the LEOS will check your tires for the stamp, more bullshit.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Baer
> To: 2cylinderhondas Sent: Wed, Jun 20, 2012 12:13 pm
> Subject: Re: [2cylinderhondas] Kumho tires
> �
> I did find FALKEN 145/80x10 Tires at
MiniMania.com
@ $89 each, have
4 on order, called prior to placing order and they had 8 in stock.�  Hopefully be here in 3 days.�  Not Kumho but something that at least rolls is� better than the dry-rot it's sitting on right now.
> On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 10:52 AM, Kevin Lister wrote:
> �
> >Yeah. I'm not surprised.
> >�
> >Like I said. Many places advertise they have the tires but when you actually talk to them on the phone or you try to order them online you find out that they don't have them.
> >�
> >kev
> >From: Mark P Hatten
> >To:
mailto:2cylinderhondas%40yahoogroups.com
> >Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 3:08 PM
>Subject: RE: [2cylinderhondas] Kumho tires
> >�
> >I tried Les Schwab with no luck
> >�
http://www.mphspecialties.com/
> >�
> >�
> >�
> >�
> >To:
mailto:2cylinderhondas%40yahoogroups.com
> >From: fisherfam05@...
> >Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:43:46 -0700
> >Subject: Re: [2cylinderhondas] Kumho tires
> >�
> >Les Schwab tire can get them...not sure of the exact brand...though.
> >Sent via DroidX2 on Verizon Wireless��
> >-----Original
message-----
> >From: Kevin Lister
> >>To: "
mailto:2cylinderhondas%40yahoogroups.com
" >>Sent: Tue, Jun 19, 2012 19:12:32 GMT+00:00
> >>Subject: Re: [2cylinderhondas] Kumho tires
> >>�
> >>Actually, there are several places that list them for sale but they� may not� actually have them.
> >>�
> >>I've been buying Kumho tires for my Sedan for years and last time I tried to get the tires online they were not available.
> >>�
>>Last time I got tires I tried America's, TireRack, etc. Nobody had them.
> >>�
> >>I ended up getting a set from a guy on eBay for a good price.
> >>�
> >>I keep hoping that Kumho will make a run of them so that we have tires to put on our cars.
> >>�
> >>kev
> >>From: David Baer
> >>To:
mailto:2cylinderhondas%40yahoogroups.com
> >>Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 6:29 AM
> >>Subject: Re: [2cylinderhondas] Kumho tires
> >>�
> >>"America's Tire" sells them.�  I just checked last week.
> >>On Mon, Jun 18, 2012
at 10:12 PM, eric.geiger wrote:
> >>�
> >>>does anyone have a new or new-ish Kuhmo tire size 145/80 R10??
> >>>the full name is Kuhmo Power Star
> >>>i have 3 like new ones and 1 that is blown out from damage.
> >>>please let me know if you have one you want to sell or know where to buy one.
> >>>Thanks!!!
> >>--
> >>David F. Baer
> >>469 Ena Rd., Apt. #1311
> >>Honolulu, HI 96815
> >>Cell:�  XXX-XXX-XXXX
> --
> David F. Baer
> 469 Ena
Rd., Apt. #1311
> Honolulu, HI 96815
> Cell:�  XXX-XXX-XXXX
richmccolman
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Post by richmccolman »

For those who may need them...
I see that Coker Tire now has 145r10 tires back in stock, in two makes:
Kingstire, $65 each
http://www.cokertire.com/kingstire-145-80r10.html
and Vredestein, $87 each
http://www.cokertire.com/vredestein-spr ... 45r10.html
Richard
tmoc1990
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Post by tmoc1990 »

Anybody purchased 145-10 radial tires lately, I found some at Coker Tire and Mini Mania, would like some Kumho if there are any left out there.
tekk20
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Re: tires

Post by tekk20 »

Tires are cheaper At minisportusa.com I buy from them all the time. Minimania is very expensive and the shipping is crazy.
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-------- Original message --------
From: tmoc1990@...
Date: 01/04/2013 5:12 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [2cylinderhondas] tires
Anybody purchased 145-10 radial tires lately, I found some at Coker Tire and Mini Mania, would like some Kumho if there are any left out there.
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