Well I final have gotten to the point where I need to clean the motor before I put it back into my coupe. I was looking for ideas on how to clean it up. I don't think I will ever get the original shine back to the aluminum, nor do I think it's possible! If you know of a good way to clean the motors up and get that healthy recycled aluminum can glow back under the hood let me know.
Also, I'm torn between using the original Z motor or a spare from a N. I know that the N motor was well taken care of and has fresher parts. But is there much of a difference in the two? The only thing I notice is the tach assembly from the Z motor.
Jason
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Re: Clean up time
--- In 2cylinderhondas@y..., jason hambelton wrote:
back into my coupe. I was looking for ideas on how to clean it up.
I don't think I will ever get the original shine back to the
aluminum, nor do I think it's possible! If you know of a good way
to clean the motors up and get that healthy recycled aluminum can
glow back under the hood let me know.
parts. But is there much of a difference in the two? The only
thing I notice is the tach assembly from the Z motor.
tach drive components(different L.side cam holder,and drive
components.) There are Aluminum cleaners,but I was always afraid of
the damage they might do to the paint and body. Riceburner006.
gotten to the point where I need to clean the motor before I put it> function SetDomain(d) { document.domain = d; } Well I final have
back into my coupe. I was looking for ideas on how to clean it up.
I don't think I will ever get the original shine back to the
aluminum, nor do I think it's possible! If you know of a good way
to clean the motors up and get that healthy recycled aluminum can
glow back under the hood let me know.
a N. I know that the N motor was well taken care of and has fresher> Also, I'm torn between using the original Z motor or a spare from
parts. But is there much of a difference in the two? The only
thing I notice is the tach assembly from the Z motor.
exceptions of the cam housing,gasket,cam cover, and of course the> Jason
>Jason,use Gunk engine spray cleaner. Engines are identical,with the
tach drive components(different L.side cam holder,and drive
components.) There are Aluminum cleaners,but I was always afraid of
the damage they might do to the paint and body. Riceburner006.
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Re: Clean up time
--- jason hambelton wrote:
onto the N engine, the rest is esentially the same.
Ian
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you can put the tach parts from the Z engine right> Also, I'm torn between using the original Z motor or
> a spare from a N. I know that the N motor was well
> taken care of and has fresher parts. But is there
> much of a difference in the two? The only thing I
> notice is the tach assembly from the Z motor.
onto the N engine, the rest is esentially the same.
Ian
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Re: Clean up time
--- In 2cylinderhondas@y..., Ian Kennedy wrote:
unless you "tap the extra holes.(A beautiful machine,from the
past,which is my present!"
is different,so you can,t use a Z- cover on a sedan cam-housing> --- jason hambelton wrote:
> > Also, I'm torn between using the original Z motor or
> > a spare from a N. I know that the N motor was well
> > taken care of and has fresher parts. But is there
> > much of a difference in the two? The only thing I
> > notice is the tach assembly from the Z motor.
> you can put the tach parts from the Z engine right
> onto the N engine, the rest is esentially the same.
> Ian
> Yes,Ian,the rest is the same,the bolt pattern on the Z- cam-cover
unless you "tap the extra holes.(A beautiful machine,from the
past,which is my present!"
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Ok, so if I read this right, I would need to change over the cam housing between the two so I could use the tach?
Jason
> Yes,Ian,the rest is the same,the bolt pattern on the Z- cam-cover is different,so you can,t use a Z- cover on a sedan cam-housing unless you "tap the extra holes.(A beautiful machine,from the past,which is my present!"
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> Yes,Ian,the rest is the same,the bolt pattern on the Z- cam-cover is different,so you can,t use a Z- cover on a sedan cam-housing unless you "tap the extra holes.(A beautiful machine,from the past,which is my present!"
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Re: Clean up time
Hi Jason;
There is a bit more to it than just the tach drive, included is a worm gear that is bolted into the Cam. This means the cam from your Coupe motor needs to be installed. The cam box is the same except for different bolt pattern between the Sedan cover and the Coupe cover. So you can use the same valve cover which is currently on the Sedan motor if you use the same cam box. The distributor housing at the opposite end if the cam is the same for either engine, although it has been pointed out to me that when using a tach drive capable cam in a cam box not intended for that purpose a ticker gasket has to be used under the distributor. This allows a greater gap between the first lobe of the cam and the distributor housing bearing.
But, lets review some of the issues your dealing with. First is the Sedan engine a 15 or 10 engine?
Your Coupe engine is a 25 variant. The 5 at the second position of the number means that it is a full synchro transmission. What this means is that a full synchro transmission uses two overdrive gears, 3rd and 4th. Where as the 10 transmission (constant type) only has 4th as an overdrive gear. There may also be a difference in the exhaust header pipes and the pipe extending to the muffler. Some of the earlier 10 engines connect differently. You may have to change out the exhaust system so it will bolt up to your Coupe exhaust system. If your going to use the Sedan motor and place it on the subframe for your Coupe you will have to use the rear engine mount from the Coupe as the bolts to the subframe are in a different positioned from that on a Sedan.
However the biggest difference is the engine numbers themselves. The red plate on your Coupe is for that car, keeping it the same is a real + when it comes time to complete your restoration or you take it to DMV and they ask to see the paper work on the car.
Yes, I too have only been asked to point out the engine number once in all the cars I have taken to the DMV, but it could have been more cars and more questions.
I hope this helps clear up some of the questions.
Bill
There is a bit more to it than just the tach drive, included is a worm gear that is bolted into the Cam. This means the cam from your Coupe motor needs to be installed. The cam box is the same except for different bolt pattern between the Sedan cover and the Coupe cover. So you can use the same valve cover which is currently on the Sedan motor if you use the same cam box. The distributor housing at the opposite end if the cam is the same for either engine, although it has been pointed out to me that when using a tach drive capable cam in a cam box not intended for that purpose a ticker gasket has to be used under the distributor. This allows a greater gap between the first lobe of the cam and the distributor housing bearing.
But, lets review some of the issues your dealing with. First is the Sedan engine a 15 or 10 engine?
Your Coupe engine is a 25 variant. The 5 at the second position of the number means that it is a full synchro transmission. What this means is that a full synchro transmission uses two overdrive gears, 3rd and 4th. Where as the 10 transmission (constant type) only has 4th as an overdrive gear. There may also be a difference in the exhaust header pipes and the pipe extending to the muffler. Some of the earlier 10 engines connect differently. You may have to change out the exhaust system so it will bolt up to your Coupe exhaust system. If your going to use the Sedan motor and place it on the subframe for your Coupe you will have to use the rear engine mount from the Coupe as the bolts to the subframe are in a different positioned from that on a Sedan.
However the biggest difference is the engine numbers themselves. The red plate on your Coupe is for that car, keeping it the same is a real + when it comes time to complete your restoration or you take it to DMV and they ask to see the paper work on the car.
Yes, I too have only been asked to point out the engine number once in all the cars I have taken to the DMV, but it could have been more cars and more questions.
I hope this helps clear up some of the questions.
Bill
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> Jason
> > Yes,Ian,the rest is the same,the bolt pattern on the Z- > cam-cover > is different,so you can,t use a Z- cover on a sedan cam-housing
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Re: Clean up time
hello i went too a place that sells sandblasting material and got several bags of recommended sand and blasted engine when it was on engine stand it looked good too me lot's of work then panted with hi-temp clear coat spray paint had too remove clutch cover and points cover too flush sand out, all seals on engine are too keep oil in and you could flush it into engine
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> Well I final have gotten to the point where I need to clean the motor before I > put it back into my coupe. I was looking for ideas on how to clean it > up. I don't think I will ever get the original shine back to the > aluminum, nor do I think it's possible! If you know of a good way to > clean the motors up and get that healthy recycled aluminum can glow back under > the hood let me know.
> Also, I'm torn between using the original Z motor or a spare from a > N. I know that the N motor was well taken care of and has fresher > parts. But is there much of a difference in the two? The only > thing I notice is the tach assembly from the Z motor.
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Re: Clean up time - Bad Bad !
Avoid sandblasting the engine when it's assembled, sand particles can
get in no matter what you do. I sand blast motor parts with 60 mesh
sand but only when it's dismantled (looks kinda like glass bead but
really cheap).
The best way to clean a dirty engine is with Oil Eater or Castrol
Cleaner, Gunk is popular but the other 2 are biodegradeable. I use a
pressure washer attachment for air compressors and hot water to blast
off the greasy mess. Wash twice if necessary. Sandblasting also
etches the aluminum and it will corrode faster with that white &
brown scaly stuff that attacks alloys.
Miles
get in no matter what you do. I sand blast motor parts with 60 mesh
sand but only when it's dismantled (looks kinda like glass bead but
really cheap).
The best way to clean a dirty engine is with Oil Eater or Castrol
Cleaner, Gunk is popular but the other 2 are biodegradeable. I use a
pressure washer attachment for air compressors and hot water to blast
off the greasy mess. Wash twice if necessary. Sandblasting also
etches the aluminum and it will corrode faster with that white &
brown scaly stuff that attacks alloys.
Miles
--- In 2cylinderhondas@y..., H600 wrote:
> hello i went too a place that sells sandblasting material and got
several bags of recommended sand and blasted engine when it was on
engine stand it looked good too me lot's of work then panted with hi-
temp clear coat spray paint had too remove clutch cover and points
cover too flush sand out, all seals on engine are too keep oil in and
you could flush it into engine
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: jason hambelton
> To: 2cylinderhondas@y...
> Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 6:51 PM
> Subject: [2cylinderhondas] Clean up time
> Well I final have gotten to the point where I need to clean the
motor before I put it back into my coupe. I was looking for ideas on
how to clean it up. I don't think I will ever get the original shine
back to the aluminum, nor do I think it's possible! If you know of a
good way to clean the motors up and get that healthy recycled
aluminum can glow back under the hood let me know.
> Also, I'm torn between using the original Z motor or a spare from
a N. I know that the N motor was well taken care of and has fresher
parts. But is there much of a difference in the two? The only thing
I notice is the tach assembly from the Z motor.
> Jason
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