My tank pickup tube was so plugged and rusted I had to cut it out and make a new one, then I had the tank coated. I will be replacing the fuel lines also.
What after market pump should we use?
What pressure should it put out?
I want to put it back in the stock location under the back seat.
I used the Carter P60504 on my Opel-GT, but it looks too long for the Honda.
http://www.summitracing.com/search/?keyword=carter%20p60504&dds=1
The Carter P4070 looks like it might fit.
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/CRT-P4070/
?
Lyle
--- In anzhonda600owners%40yahoogroups.com, Bob Bondiett wrote:
>
> Linda, I had the same problem some years ago and it turned out to be fuel lines
> plugged with rust inside the tank and half the way to the front! Had to cut some
> out to get them to clear. Ennded up putting a fuel pump just at the tank outlet
> under the car for better pick up. Good luck.
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: blake neilson
> To: anzhonda600owners%40yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Fri, August 6, 2010 7:29:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [anzhonda600owners] Fuel Pump?
>
>
> Back when I was driving mine on a daily basis (in the 70's) I put about 1/2 a
> can of chemtool in with about 3/4 of a full tank and greatly improved the volume
> of the pump. It had gotten gummed up with varnish. Give that a try before
> buying a new pump. It's easy to do and cheap to try. Chemtool is available in
> a spray but also in a pourable can in most shops. It will cost you less than $5
> to see if it will help. Let us know if this helps.
>
> Blake
>
> --- On Fri, 8/6/10, TOM THIES wrote:
>
>
> >From: TOM THIES
> >Subject: Re: [anzhonda600owners] Fuel Pump?
> >To: anzhonda600owners@ yahoogroups. com
> >Date: Friday, August 6, 2010, 7:13 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >Linda I know there is a way to check the fuel pump by seeing how much gas goes
> >into a jar in so many seconds. I am sure some one will be able to tell you. I
> >am sure you check the fuel filter and the screen in side the carb. but it might
> >also be something in the carb that is not letting in enough gas. I would start
> >with checking the pump if you have checked with the screen and filter.
> >good luck and let us know what you find
> >Tom t
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >>From: Linda Classon
> >>To: 2cylinderhondas@ yahoogroups. com
> >>Cc: Anzhonda600owners
> >>Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 4:04 PM
> >>Subject: [anzhonda600owners] Fuel Pump?
> >>
> >>
> >>I've got a 1971 sedan that seems to need a fuel pump (It's got a new
> >>rebuilt carb, the gas lines are good, the tank has been relined, yet
> >>it doesn't get enough gas at higher speeds).
> >>
> >>Does anyone have one available and if so, how much would it be?
> >>
> >>Thanks!
> >>
> >>Linda
> >>
> >>
>
Re: Fuel Pump?
Moderator: forumadmin
Re: Fuel Pump?
Hi Lyle, The coupe service manual states the pump pressure is 2 psi and the capacity is 0.25 liters/minute. I cannot recommend any after-market pumps since I continue to use the stock pump on my cars. What problem does your stock pump have? Dale
Re: Fuel Pump?
Oops,
The stated fuel pump volume should read 80-100 liters/hour, not minutes.
John
The stated fuel pump volume should read 80-100 liters/hour, not minutes.
John
--- In anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com, John Brown wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I used a _80's Honda V45-V65 Magna motorcycle fuel pump_ on my '70 sedan
> until upgrading to a German Pierburg in-line pump. The Honda pump has
> the same mounts as our cars so it will fit in the stock location, but
> the inlet and outlets are slightly different (side-by-side) instead of
> being staggered, this requires the hose routing to be altered slightly.
> The power wire also requires a bullet connector to be installed.
>
> Fuel pressure requirements for our cars are between 1.5-3.5 PSI to
> prevent flooding past the carburetor inlet valve, pump volume should
> generally be (80-100l/min).
>
> I modified my fuel system by installing a _Pierburg model E1F_ in-line
> pump and filter next to my fuel tank, I also replaced my fuel lines with
> aviation spec.hose and fire braiding. I makes periodic maintenance much
> easier and the fuel pump isn't subjected to exhaust heating.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> John
> (410) 236-2435
>
> lyletrudell wrote:
> >
> > My tank pickup tube was so plugged and rusted I had to cut it out and
> > make a new one, then I had the tank coated. I will be replacing the
> > fuel lines also.
> >
> > What after market pump should we use?
> > What pressure should it put out?
> > I want to put it back in the stock location under the back seat.
> >
> > I used the Carter P60504 on my Opel-GT, but it looks too long for the
> > Honda.
> > http://www.summitracing.com/search/?keyword=carter%20p60504&dds=1
> >
> >
> > The Carter P4070 looks like it might fit.
> > http://www.summitracing.com/parts/CRT-P4070/
> > ?
> > Lyle
> >
> > --- In anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
> > , Bob Bondiett
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Linda, I had the same problem some years ago and it turned out to
> > be fuel lines
> > > plugged with rust inside the tank and half the way to the front!
> > Had to cut some
> > > out to get them to clear. Ennded up putting a fuel pump just at the
> > tank outlet
> > > under the car for better pick up. Good luck.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: blake neilson
> > > To: anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
> >
> > > Sent: Fri, August 6, 2010 7:29:42 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [anzhonda600owners] Fuel Pump?
> > >
> > >
> > > Back when I was driving mine on a daily basis (in the 70's) I put
> > about 1/2 a
> > > can of chemtool in with about 3/4 of a full tank and greatly
> > improved the volume
> > > of the pump. It had gotten gummed up with varnish. Give that a try
> > before
> > > buying a new pump. It's easy to do and cheap to try. Chemtool is
> > available in
> > > a spray but also in a pourable can in most shops. It will cost you
> > less than $5
> > > to see if it will help. Let us know if this helps.
> > >
> > > Blake
> > >
> > > --- On Fri, 8/6/10, TOM THIES wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: TOM THIES
> > > >Subject: Re: [anzhonda600owners] Fuel Pump?
> > > >To: anzhonda600owners@ yahoogroups. com
> > > >Date: Friday, August 6, 2010, 7:13 PM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Linda I know there is a way to check the fuel pump by seeing how
> > much gas goes
> > > >into a jar in so many seconds. I am sure some one will be able to
> > tell you. I
> > > >am sure you check the fuel filter and the screen in side the carb.
> > but it might
> > > >also be something in the carb that is not letting in enough gas.
> > I would start
> > > >with checking the pump if you have checked with the screen and filter.
> > > >good luck and let us know what you find
> > > >Tom t
> > > >
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >>From: Linda Classon
> > > >>To: 2cylinderhondas@ yahoogroups. com
> > > >>Cc: Anzhonda600owners
> > > >>Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 4:04 PM
> > > >>Subject: [anzhonda600owners] Fuel Pump?
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>I've got a 1971 sedan that seems to need a fuel pump (It's got a new
> > > >>rebuilt carb, the gas lines are good, the tank has been relined, yet
> > > >>it doesn't get enough gas at higher speeds).
> > > >>
> > > >>Does anyone have one available and if so, how much would it be?
> > > >>
> > > >>Thanks!
> > > >>
> > > >>Linda
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> >
>
-
lyletrudell
- Posts: 56
- Joined: Wed Apr 14, 2010 12:54 pm
Re: Fuel Pump?
Thanks for the replies and the pressure info.
Dale, I don't know what is wrong with my stock pump, put power to it and nothing happens. Could pull it apart and see what is wrong.
After market pumps like the Carter P60504 put out 1-3 PSI. I know this pump very well because we have used it on our modified Opel's for years. The aftermarket Weber carb is very sensitive to high pump pressure and it will push the needle off the seat, causing flooding.
From what John says the Honda carbs have the same problem.
The Carter pump is a pusher type so it needs to be mounted near the tank. Looks like there is plenty of room to mount it on the Honda.
I am sure the stock pump is fine, but the biggest advantage of the Carter pump is they are used as a generic replacement. You can buy them at all the auto stores and they are dependable.
For safety in an accident, on our Opel's we use an oil pressure switch, if the engine stops or loses oil pressure the pump stops.
This won't work on our Hondas.
So what does Honda use to stop the electric fuel pump when you get in an accident?
Inertia switch?
Lyle
Dale, I don't know what is wrong with my stock pump, put power to it and nothing happens. Could pull it apart and see what is wrong.
After market pumps like the Carter P60504 put out 1-3 PSI. I know this pump very well because we have used it on our modified Opel's for years. The aftermarket Weber carb is very sensitive to high pump pressure and it will push the needle off the seat, causing flooding.
From what John says the Honda carbs have the same problem.
The Carter pump is a pusher type so it needs to be mounted near the tank. Looks like there is plenty of room to mount it on the Honda.
I am sure the stock pump is fine, but the biggest advantage of the Carter pump is they are used as a generic replacement. You can buy them at all the auto stores and they are dependable.
For safety in an accident, on our Opel's we use an oil pressure switch, if the engine stops or loses oil pressure the pump stops.
This won't work on our Hondas.
So what does Honda use to stop the electric fuel pump when you get in an accident?
Inertia switch?
Lyle
--- In anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote:
>
> Oops,
>
> The stated fuel pump volume should read 80-100 liters/hour, not minutes.
>
> John
>
> --- In anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com, John Brown wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I used a _80's Honda V45-V65 Magna motorcycle fuel pump_ on my '70 sedan
> > until upgrading to a German Pierburg in-line pump. The Honda pump has
> > the same mounts as our cars so it will fit in the stock location, but
> > the inlet and outlets are slightly different (side-by-side) instead of
> > being staggered, this requires the hose routing to be altered slightly.
> > The power wire also requires a bullet connector to be installed.
> >
> > Fuel pressure requirements for our cars are between 1.5-3.5 PSI to
> > prevent flooding past the carburetor inlet valve, pump volume should
> > generally be (80-100l/min).
> >
> > I modified my fuel system by installing a _Pierburg model E1F_ in-line
> > pump and filter next to my fuel tank, I also replaced my fuel lines with
> > aviation spec.hose and fire braiding. I makes periodic maintenance much
> > easier and the fuel pump isn't subjected to exhaust heating.
> >
> > Hope this helps,
> >
> > John
> > (410) 236-2435
> >
> > lyletrudell wrote:
> > >
> > > My tank pickup tube was so plugged and rusted I had to cut it out and
> > > make a new one, then I had the tank coated. I will be replacing the
> > > fuel lines also.
> > >
> > > What after market pump should we use?
> > > What pressure should it put out?
> > > I want to put it back in the stock location under the back seat.
> > >
> > > I used the Carter P60504 on my Opel-GT, but it looks too long for the
> > > Honda.
> > > http://www.summitracing.com/search/?keyword=carter%20p60504&dds=1
> > >
> > >
> > > The Carter P4070 looks like it might fit.
> > > http://www.summitracing.com/parts/CRT-P4070/
> > > ?
> > > Lyle
> > >
> > > --- In anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
> > > , Bob Bondiett
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Linda, I had the same problem some years ago and it turned out to
> > > be fuel lines
> > > > plugged with rust inside the tank and half the way to the front!
> > > Had to cut some
> > > > out to get them to clear. Ennded up putting a fuel pump just at the
> > > tank outlet
> > > > under the car for better pick up. Good luck.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________
> > > > From: blake neilson
> > > > To: anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
> > >
> > > > Sent: Fri, August 6, 2010 7:29:42 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [anzhonda600owners] Fuel Pump?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Back when I was driving mine on a daily basis (in the 70's) I put
> > > about 1/2 a
> > > > can of chemtool in with about 3/4 of a full tank and greatly
> > > improved the volume
> > > > of the pump. It had gotten gummed up with varnish. Give that a try
> > > before
> > > > buying a new pump. It's easy to do and cheap to try. Chemtool is
> > > available in
> > > > a spray but also in a pourable can in most shops. It will cost you
> > > less than $5
> > > > to see if it will help. Let us know if this helps.
> > > >
> > > > Blake
> > > >
> > > > --- On Fri, 8/6/10, TOM THIES wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: TOM THIES
> > > > >Subject: Re: [anzhonda600owners] Fuel Pump?
> > > > >To: anzhonda600owners@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > >Date: Friday, August 6, 2010, 7:13 PM
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >Linda I know there is a way to check the fuel pump by seeing how
> > > much gas goes
> > > > >into a jar in so many seconds. I am sure some one will be able to
> > > tell you. I
> > > > >am sure you check the fuel filter and the screen in side the carb.
> > > but it might
> > > > >also be something in the carb that is not letting in enough gas.
> > > I would start
> > > > >with checking the pump if you have checked with the screen and filter.
> > > > >good luck and let us know what you find
> > > > >Tom t
> > > > >
> > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > >>From: Linda Classon
> > > > >>To: 2cylinderhondas@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > >>Cc: Anzhonda600owners
> > > > >>Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 4:04 PM
> > > > >>Subject: [anzhonda600owners] Fuel Pump?
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>I've got a 1971 sedan that seems to need a fuel pump (It's got a new
> > > > >>rebuilt carb, the gas lines are good, the tank has been relined, yet
> > > > >>it doesn't get enough gas at higher speeds).
> > > > >>
> > > > >>Does anyone have one available and if so, how much would it be?
> > > > >>
> > > > >>Thanks!
> > > > >>
> > > > >>Linda
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: Fuel Pump?
Hi Lyle;
I am currently running a fuel pump from a 1983 VF 750 magna. It bolts in just like the original in fact the only difference is the angle the hoses connect at with a little rearranging of the lines you are ready to go. go to BikeBandit.com and search OEM parts for a 1983 VF750C.
I have had no problems since instalation. Honda part #227202-001
Al
I am currently running a fuel pump from a 1983 VF 750 magna. It bolts in just like the original in fact the only difference is the angle the hoses connect at with a little rearranging of the lines you are ready to go. go to BikeBandit.com and search OEM parts for a 1983 VF750C.
I have had no problems since instalation. Honda part #227202-001
Al
--- In anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com, "lyletrudell" wrote:
>
> Thanks for the replies and the pressure info.
> Dale, I don't know what is wrong with my stock pump, put power to it and nothing happens. Could pull it apart and see what is wrong.
>
> After market pumps like the Carter P60504 put out 1-3 PSI. I know this pump very well because we have used it on our modified Opel's for years. The aftermarket Weber carb is very sensitive to high pump pressure and it will push the needle off the seat, causing flooding.
> From what John says the Honda carbs have the same problem.
> The Carter pump is a pusher type so it needs to be mounted near the tank. Looks like there is plenty of room to mount it on the Honda.
>
> I am sure the stock pump is fine, but the biggest advantage of the Carter pump is they are used as a generic replacement. You can buy them at all the auto stores and they are dependable.
>
> For safety in an accident, on our Opel's we use an oil pressure switch, if the engine stops or loses oil pressure the pump stops.
> This won't work on our Hondas.
> So what does Honda use to stop the electric fuel pump when you get in an accident?
> Inertia switch?
> Lyle
>
> --- In anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote:
> >
> > Oops,
> >
> > The stated fuel pump volume should read 80-100 liters/hour, not minutes.
> >
> > John
> >
> > --- In anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com, John Brown wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I used a _80's Honda V45-V65 Magna motorcycle fuel pump_ on my '70 sedan
> > > until upgrading to a German Pierburg in-line pump. The Honda pump has
> > > the same mounts as our cars so it will fit in the stock location, but
> > > the inlet and outlets are slightly different (side-by-side) instead of
> > > being staggered, this requires the hose routing to be altered slightly.
> > > The power wire also requires a bullet connector to be installed.
> > >
> > > Fuel pressure requirements for our cars are between 1.5-3.5 PSI to
> > > prevent flooding past the carburetor inlet valve, pump volume should
> > > generally be (80-100l/min).
> > >
> > > I modified my fuel system by installing a _Pierburg model E1F_ in-line
> > > pump and filter next to my fuel tank, I also replaced my fuel lines with
> > > aviation spec.hose and fire braiding. I makes periodic maintenance much
> > > easier and the fuel pump isn't subjected to exhaust heating.
> > >
> > > Hope this helps,
> > >
> > > John
> > > (410) 236-2435
> > >
> > > lyletrudell wrote:
> > > >
> > > > My tank pickup tube was so plugged and rusted I had to cut it out and
> > > > make a new one, then I had the tank coated. I will be replacing the
> > > > fuel lines also.
> > > >
> > > > What after market pump should we use?
> > > > What pressure should it put out?
> > > > I want to put it back in the stock location under the back seat.
> > > >
> > > > I used the Carter P60504 on my Opel-GT, but it looks too long for the
> > > > Honda.
> > > > http://www.summitracing.com/search/?keyword=carter%20p60504&dds=1
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The Carter P4070 looks like it might fit.
> > > > http://www.summitracing.com/parts/CRT-P4070/
> > > > ?
> > > > Lyle
> > > >
> > > > --- In anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
> > > > , Bob Bondiett
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Linda, I had the same problem some years ago and it turned out to
> > > > be fuel lines
> > > > > plugged with rust inside the tank and half the way to the front!
> > > > Had to cut some
> > > > > out to get them to clear. Ennded up putting a fuel pump just at the
> > > > tank outlet
> > > > > under the car for better pick up. Good luck.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > From: blake neilson
> > > > > To: anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
> > > >
> > > > > Sent: Fri, August 6, 2010 7:29:42 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [anzhonda600owners] Fuel Pump?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Back when I was driving mine on a daily basis (in the 70's) I put
> > > > about 1/2 a
> > > > > can of chemtool in with about 3/4 of a full tank and greatly
> > > > improved the volume
> > > > > of the pump. It had gotten gummed up with varnish. Give that a try
> > > > before
> > > > > buying a new pump. It's easy to do and cheap to try. Chemtool is
> > > > available in
> > > > > a spray but also in a pourable can in most shops. It will cost you
> > > > less than $5
> > > > > to see if it will help. Let us know if this helps.
> > > > >
> > > > > Blake
> > > > >
> > > > > --- On Fri, 8/6/10, TOM THIES wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >From: TOM THIES
> > > > > >Subject: Re: [anzhonda600owners] Fuel Pump?
> > > > > >To: anzhonda600owners@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > >Date: Friday, August 6, 2010, 7:13 PM
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Linda I know there is a way to check the fuel pump by seeing how
> > > > much gas goes
> > > > > >into a jar in so many seconds. I am sure some one will be able to
> > > > tell you. I
> > > > > >am sure you check the fuel filter and the screen in side the carb.
> > > > but it might
> > > > > >also be something in the carb that is not letting in enough gas.
> > > > I would start
> > > > > >with checking the pump if you have checked with the screen and filter.
> > > > > >good luck and let us know what you find
> > > > > >Tom t
> > > > > >
> > > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > > >>From: Linda Classon
> > > > > >>To: 2cylinderhondas@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > >>Cc: Anzhonda600owners
> > > > > >>Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 4:04 PM
> > > > > >>Subject: [anzhonda600owners] Fuel Pump?
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>I've got a 1971 sedan that seems to need a fuel pump (It's got a new
> > > > > >>rebuilt carb, the gas lines are good, the tank has been relined, yet
> > > > > >>it doesn't get enough gas at higher speeds).
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>Does anyone have one available and if so, how much would it be?
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>Thanks!
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>Linda
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
-
lyletrudell
- Posts: 56
- Joined: Wed Apr 14, 2010 12:54 pm
Re: Fuel Pump?
Hi Al, thanks for the reply and info.
That was the same one John used.
They are really expensive but a bolt in would be nice.
Lyle
That was the same one John used.
They are really expensive but a bolt in would be nice.
Lyle
--- In anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com, "ALBERT JR" wrote:
>
> Hi Lyle;
>
> I am currently running a fuel pump from a 1983 VF 750 magna. It bolts in just like the original in fact the only difference is the angle the hoses connect at with a little rearranging of the lines you are ready to go. go to BikeBandit.com and search OEM parts for a 1983 VF750C.
> I have had no problems since instalation. Honda part #227202-001
>
> Al
> --- In anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com, "lyletrudell" wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for the replies and the pressure info.
> > Dale, I don't know what is wrong with my stock pump, put power to it and nothing happens. Could pull it apart and see what is wrong.
> >
> > After market pumps like the Carter P60504 put out 1-3 PSI. I know this pump very well because we have used it on our modified Opel's for years. The aftermarket Weber carb is very sensitive to high pump pressure and it will push the needle off the seat, causing flooding.
> > From what John says the Honda carbs have the same problem.
> > The Carter pump is a pusher type so it needs to be mounted near the tank. Looks like there is plenty of room to mount it on the Honda.
> >
> > I am sure the stock pump is fine, but the biggest advantage of the Carter pump is they are used as a generic replacement. You can buy them at all the auto stores and they are dependable.
> >
> > For safety in an accident, on our Opel's we use an oil pressure switch, if the engine stops or loses oil pressure the pump stops.
> > This won't work on our Hondas.
> > So what does Honda use to stop the electric fuel pump when you get in an accident?
> > Inertia switch?
> > Lyle
> >
> > --- In anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote:
> > >
> > > Oops,
> > >
> > > The stated fuel pump volume should read 80-100 liters/hour, not minutes.
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > > --- In anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com, John Brown wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > I used a _80's Honda V45-V65 Magna motorcycle fuel pump_ on my '70 sedan
> > > > until upgrading to a German Pierburg in-line pump. The Honda pump has
> > > > the same mounts as our cars so it will fit in the stock location, but
> > > > the inlet and outlets are slightly different (side-by-side) instead of
> > > > being staggered, this requires the hose routing to be altered slightly.
> > > > The power wire also requires a bullet connector to be installed.
> > > >
> > > > Fuel pressure requirements for our cars are between 1.5-3.5 PSI to
> > > > prevent flooding past the carburetor inlet valve, pump volume should
> > > > generally be (80-100l/min).
> > > >
> > > > I modified my fuel system by installing a _Pierburg model E1F_ in-line
> > > > pump and filter next to my fuel tank, I also replaced my fuel lines with
> > > > aviation spec.hose and fire braiding. I makes periodic maintenance much
> > > > easier and the fuel pump isn't subjected to exhaust heating.
> > > >
> > > > Hope this helps,
> > > >
> > > > John
> > > > (410) 236-2435
> > > >
> > > > lyletrudell wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > My tank pickup tube was so plugged and rusted I had to cut it out and
> > > > > make a new one, then I had the tank coated. I will be replacing the
> > > > > fuel lines also.
> > > > >
> > > > > What after market pump should we use?
> > > > > What pressure should it put out?
> > > > > I want to put it back in the stock location under the back seat.
> > > > >
> > > > > I used the Carter P60504 on my Opel-GT, but it looks too long for the
> > > > > Honda.
> > > > > http://www.summitracing.com/search/?keyword=carter%20p60504&dds=1
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The Carter P4070 looks like it might fit.
> > > > > http://www.summitracing.com/parts/CRT-P4070/
> > > > > ?
> > > > > Lyle
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > , Bob Bondiett
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Linda, I had the same problem some years ago and it turned out to
> > > > > be fuel lines
> > > > > > plugged with rust inside the tank and half the way to the front!
> > > > > Had to cut some
> > > > > > out to get them to clear. Ennded up putting a fuel pump just at the
> > > > > tank outlet
> > > > > > under the car for better pick up. Good luck.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > > From: blake neilson
> > > > > > To: anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
> > > > >
> > > > > > Sent: Fri, August 6, 2010 7:29:42 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [anzhonda600owners] Fuel Pump?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Back when I was driving mine on a daily basis (in the 70's) I put
> > > > > about 1/2 a
> > > > > > can of chemtool in with about 3/4 of a full tank and greatly
> > > > > improved the volume
> > > > > > of the pump. It had gotten gummed up with varnish. Give that a try
> > > > > before
> > > > > > buying a new pump. It's easy to do and cheap to try. Chemtool is
> > > > > available in
> > > > > > a spray but also in a pourable can in most shops. It will cost you
> > > > > less than $5
> > > > > > to see if it will help. Let us know if this helps.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Blake
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- On Fri, 8/6/10, TOM THIES wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >From: TOM THIES
> > > > > > >Subject: Re: [anzhonda600owners] Fuel Pump?
> > > > > > >To: anzhonda600owners@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > > >Date: Friday, August 6, 2010, 7:13 PM
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Linda I know there is a way to check the fuel pump by seeing how
> > > > > much gas goes
> > > > > > >into a jar in so many seconds. I am sure some one will be able to
> > > > > tell you. I
> > > > > > >am sure you check the fuel filter and the screen in side the carb.
> > > > > but it might
> > > > > > >also be something in the carb that is not letting in enough gas.
> > > > > I would start
> > > > > > >with checking the pump if you have checked with the screen and filter.
> > > > > > >good luck and let us know what you find
> > > > > > >Tom t
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > >>From: Linda Classon
> > > > > > >>To: 2cylinderhondas@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > > >>Cc: Anzhonda600owners
> > > > > > >>Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 4:04 PM
> > > > > > >>Subject: [anzhonda600owners] Fuel Pump?
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>I've got a 1971 sedan that seems to need a fuel pump (It's got a new
> > > > > > >>rebuilt carb, the gas lines are good, the tank has been relined, yet
> > > > > > >>it doesn't get enough gas at higher speeds).
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>Does anyone have one available and if so, how much would it be?
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>Thanks!
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>Linda
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: Fuel Pump?
Hi Lyle, I was looking at a fuel pump today. The resistance should be 3 to 4 ohms. If you don't have a resistance meter, the current when powered by 12 volts should be 3 to 4 amps. What you dont want to see is infinite ohms (zero ampereres) or something more than 6 amps which would be a short or open condition. The last fuel pump I repaired needed cleaning since the parts were "gunked" up and would not move properly. Dale
Thanks for the replies and the pressure info.
Dale, I don't know what is wrong with my stock pump, put power to it and nothing happens. Could pull it apart and see what is wrong.
After market pumps like the Carter P60504 put out 1-3 PSI. I know this pump very well because we have used it on our modified Opel's for years. The aftermarket Weber carb is very sensitive to high pump pressure and it will push the needle off the seat, causing flooding.
From what John says the Honda carbs have the same problem.
The Carter pump is a pusher type so it needs to be mounted near the tank. Looks like there is plenty of room to mount it on the Honda.
I am sure the stock pump is fine, but the biggest advantage of the Carter pump is they are used as a generic replacement. You can buy them at all the auto stores and they are dependable.
For safety in an accident, on our Opel's we use an oil pressure switch, if the engine stops or loses oil pressure the pump stops.
This won't work on our Hondas.
So what does Honda use to stop the electric fuel pump when you get in an accident?
Inertia switch?
Lyle
Re: Fuel Pump?
Hi Lyle, Regarding your fuel pump not working, I was looking at one yesterday and the electrical resistance from the black lead to the metal frame is about 3 to 4 ohms. So, with 12 volts applied, it should draw 3 to 4 amps. If you check out your fuel pump and find a very high resistance (low current draw) or a very low resistance like less than 2 ohms (or a current draw over 6 amps), the fuel pump is pretty much junk unless you want to repair the coil. If the electrical side looks ok, the problem is probably just some gunk causing the mechanical side to stick. You can disassemble the fuel pump, clean it up, and bring it back to life. Dale
Thanks for the replies and the pressure info.
Dale, I don't know what is wrong with my stock pump, put power to it and nothing happens. Could pull it apart and see what is wrong.
After market pumps like the Carter P60504 put out 1-3 PSI. I know this pump very well because we have used it on our modified Opel's for years. The aftermarket Weber carb is very sensitive to high pump pressure and it will push the needle off the seat, causing flooding.
From what John says the Honda carbs have the same problem.
The Carter pump is a pusher type so it needs to be mounted near the tank. Looks like there is plenty of room to mount it on the Honda.
I am sure the stock pump is fine, but the biggest advantage of the Carter pump is they are used as a generic replacement. You can buy them at all the auto stores and they are dependable.
For safety in an accident, on our Opel's we use an oil pressure switch, if the engine stops or loses oil pressure the pump stops.
This won't work on our Hondas.
So what does Honda use to stop the electric fuel pump when you get in an accident?
Inertia switch?
Lyle
--- In anzhonda600owners%40yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote:
>
> Oops,
>
> The stated fuel pump volume should read 80-100 liters/hour, not minutes.
>
> John
>
> --- In anzhonda600owners%40yahoogroups.com, John Brown wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I used a _80's Honda V45-V65 Magna motorcycle fuel pump_ on my '70 sedan
> > until upgrading to a German Pierburg in-line pump. The Honda pump has
> > the same mounts as our cars so it will fit in the stock location, but
> > the inlet and outlets are slightly different (side-by-side) instead of
> > being staggered, this requires the hose routing to be altered slightly.
> > The power wire also requires a bullet connector to be installed.
> >
> > Fuel pressure requirements for our cars are between 1.5-3.5 PSI to
> > prevent flooding past the carburetor inlet valve, pump volume should
> > generally be (80-100l/min).
> >
> > I modified my fuel system by installing a _Pierburg model E1F_ in-line
> > pump and filter next to my fuel tank, I also replaced my fuel lines with
> > aviation spec.hose and fire braiding. I makes periodic maintenance much
> > easier and the fuel pump isn't subjected to exhaust heating.
> >
> > Hope this helps,
> >
> > John
> > (410) 236-2435
> >
> > lyletrudell wrote:
> > >
> > > My tank pickup tube was so plugged and rusted I had to cut it out and
> > > make a new one, then I had the tank coated. I will be replacing the
> > > fuel lines also.
> > >
> > > What after market pump should we use?
> > > What pressure should it put out?
> > > I want to put it back in the stock location under the back seat.
> > >
> > > I used the Carter P60504 on my Opel-GT, but it looks too long for the
> > > Honda.
> > > http://www.summitracing.com/search/?keyword=carter%20p60504&dds=1
> > >
> > >
> > > The Carter P4070 looks like it might fit.
> > > http://www.summitracing.com/parts/CRT-P4070/
> > > ?
> > > Lyle
> > >
> > > --- In anzhonda600owners%40yahoogroups.com
> > > , Bob Bondiett
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Linda, I had the same problem some years ago and it turned out to
> > > be fuel lines
> > > > plugged with rust inside the tank and half the way to the front!
> > > Had to cut some
> > > > out to get them to clear. Ennded up putting a fuel pump just at the
> > > tank outlet
> > > > under the car for better pick up. Good luck.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________
> > > > From: blake neilson
> > > > To: anzhonda600owners%40yahoogroups.com
> > >
> > > > Sent: Fri, August 6, 2010 7:29:42 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [anzhonda600owners] Fuel Pump?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Back when I was driving mine on a daily basis (in the 70's) I put
> > > about 1/2 a
> > > > can of chemtool in with about 3/4 of a full tank and greatly
> > > improved the volume
> > > > of the pump. It had gotten gummed up with varnish. Give that a try
> > > before
> > > > buying a new pump. It's easy to do and cheap to try. Chemtool is
> > > available in
> > > > a spray but also in a pourable can in most shops. It will cost you
> > > less than $5
> > > > to see if it will help. Let us know if this helps.
> > > >
> > > > Blake
> > > >
> > > > --- On Fri, 8/6/10, TOM THIES wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: TOM THIES
> > > > >Subject: Re: [anzhonda600owners] Fuel Pump?
> > > > >To: anzhonda600owners@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > >Date: Friday, August 6, 2010, 7:13 PM
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >Linda I know there is a way to check the fuel pump by seeing how
> > > much gas goes
> > > > >into a jar in so many seconds. I am sure some one will be able to
> > > tell you. I
> > > > >am sure you check the fuel filter and the screen in side the carb.
> > > but it might
> > > > >also be something in the carb that is not letting in enough gas.
> > > I would start
> > > > >with checking the pump if you have checked with the screen and filter.
> > > > >good luck and let us know what you find
> > > > >Tom t
> > > > >
> > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > >>From: Linda Classon
> > > > >>To: 2cylinderhondas@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > >>Cc: Anzhonda600owners
> > > > >>Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 4:04 PM
> > > > >>Subject: [anzhonda600owners] Fuel Pump?
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>I've got a 1971 sedan that seems to need a fuel pump (It's got a new
> > > > >>rebuilt carb, the gas lines are good, the tank has been relined, yet
> > > > >>it doesn't get enough gas at higher speeds).
> > > > >>
> > > > >>Does anyone have one available and if so, how much would it be?
> > > > >>
> > > > >>Thanks!
> > > > >>
> > > > >>Linda
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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lyletrudell
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Re: Fuel Pump?
Hi Dale, pulled my pump apart at lunch.
Looks like it was gutted inside for parts from the past owner.
I was wondering why there was an external pump hanging from a plastic tie wrap to the fuel line!
This orange coupe I bought actually ran pretty good.
After seeing all the things the past owner did wrong, I cant wait to drive it with things corrected!
I might pick on my Honda for being small and under powered, but the engine/transaxle is an amazing casting! Put the bottom end back together, very good fits and good finishes on all the machined surfaces.
Engine, transmission and differental all in a tiny precision package.
I like it!
Lyle
Looks like it was gutted inside for parts from the past owner.
I was wondering why there was an external pump hanging from a plastic tie wrap to the fuel line!
This orange coupe I bought actually ran pretty good.
After seeing all the things the past owner did wrong, I cant wait to drive it with things corrected!
I might pick on my Honda for being small and under powered, but the engine/transaxle is an amazing casting! Put the bottom end back together, very good fits and good finishes on all the machined surfaces.
Engine, transmission and differental all in a tiny precision package.
I like it!
Lyle
--- In anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com, goinhm@... wrote:
>
> Hi Lyle,
>
> I was looking at a fuel pump today. The resistance should be 3 to 4
> ohms. If you don't have a resistance meter, the current when powered by 12
> volts should be 3 to 4 amps. What you dont want to see is infinite ohms
> (zero ampereres) or something more than 6 amps which would be a short or
> open condition. The last fuel pump I repaired needed cleaning since the
> parts were "gunked" up and would not move properly.
>
> Dale
>
> Thanks for the replies and the pressure info.
> Dale, I don't know what is wrong with my stock pump, put power to it and
> nothing happens. Could pull it apart and see what is wrong.
>
> After market pumps like the Carter P60504 put out 1-3 PSI. I know this
> pump very well because we have used it on our modified Opel's for years. The
> aftermarket Weber carb is very sensitive to high pump pressure and it will
> push the needle off the seat, causing flooding.
> From what John says the Honda carbs have the same problem.
> The Carter pump is a pusher type so it needs to be mounted near the tank.
> Looks like there is plenty of room to mount it on the Honda.
>
> I am sure the stock pump is fine, but the biggest advantage of the Carter
> pump is they are used as a generic replacement. You can buy them at all the
> auto stores and they are dependable.
>
> For safety in an accident, on our Opel's we use an oil pressure switch, if
> the engine stops or loses oil pressure the pump stops.
> This won't work on our Hondas.
> So what does Honda use to stop the electric fuel pump when you get in an
> accident?
> Inertia switch?
> Lyle
>