Re: Fuel Pump?

[billmyong]

What's the engine number?      

-----Original Message-----
From: 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com [mailto:2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of goinhm@...
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 9:54 AM
To: 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [2cylinderhondas] Re: Cam grind specs?

 
Your Hawaiian cam could also be one of the aftermarket cams which was available in the 1970s.  J & J Performance sold a package consisting of a cam and pistons to increase the power output.  I believe there cam was supplied with lash caps to place on the valves.  I don't think the Hawaiian cam used lash caps.  Is the major diameter on both of your cams the same?   Dale I think I might have one - just found two rusty cams that looked different when sorting out parts - so one is a Hawaiian cam. (I remember stripping a car at a wrecking yard years ago before I knew about the Hawaiian cars. It had a roasted cam bearing and cam end. If I'd known better I never would have junked it.)

Also - the ratio is not quite constant - since the rocker arm shaft has an off-centered lobe for setting lash it rocks/changes a bit. Jimmy at Megacycle (a cam genius/expert) showed me the drawing he did when trying to figure out the actual ratio. It varies as the rocker moves back and forth . . .

[Linda Classon]

I've got a 1971 sedan that seems to need a fuel pump (It's got a new
rebuilt carb, the gas lines are good, the tank has been relined, yet
it doesn't get enough gas at higher speeds).

Does anyone have one available and if so, how much would it be?

Thanks!

Linda

[mrfiero]

There's one on eBay right now for $80. 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/HONDA-600-COUPE-SEDAN-FUEL-PUMP-USED-TESTED-N600-Z600-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQitemZ400140976783QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories



Mike



---------- Original Message ----------
From: Linda Classon
To: 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
Cc: "Anzhonda600owners"
Subject: [anzhonda600owners] Fuel Pump
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 19:04:24 -0400

 
I've got a 1971 sedan that seems to need a fuel pump (It's got a new
rebuilt carb, the gas lines are good, the tank has been relined, yet
it doesn't get enough gas at higher speeds).

Does anyone have one available and if so, how much would it be?

Thanks!

Linda



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[TOM THIES]

Linda I know there is a way to check the fuel pump by seeing how much gas goes into a jar in so many seconds.  I am sure some one will be able to tell you.   I am sure you check the fuel filter and the screen in side the carb.  but it might also be something in the carb that is not letting in enough gas.   I would start with checking the pump if you have checked with the screen and filter. good luck and let us know what you find Tom t  

----- Original Message ----- From: happy-accidents@... To: 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com Cc: anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 4:04 PM Subject: [anzhonda600owners] Fuel Pump?
 
I've got a 1971 sedan that seems to need a fuel pump (It's got a new
rebuilt carb, the gas lines are good, the tank has been relined, yet
it doesn't get enough gas at higher speeds).

Does anyone have one available and if so, how much would it be?

Thanks!

Linda

[blake neilson]

Back when I was driving mine on a daily basis (in the 70's) I put about 1/2 a can of chemtool in with about 3/4 of a full tank and greatly improved the volume of the pump.  It had gotten gummed up with varnish.  Give that a try before buying a new pump.  It's easy to do and cheap to try.  Chemtool is available in a spray but also in a pourable can in most shops.  It will cost you less than $5 to see if it will help. Let us know if this helps.

Blake

--- On Fri, 8/6/10, TOM THIES wrote:

From: TOM THIES
Subject: Re: [anzhonda600owners] Fuel Pump?
To: anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, August 6, 2010, 7:13 PM

 
Linda I know there is a way to check the fuel pump by seeing how much gas goes into a jar in so many seconds.  I am sure some one will be able to tell you.   I am sure you check the fuel filter and the screen in side the carb.  but it might also be something in the carb that is not letting in enough gas.   I would start with checking the pump if you have checked with the screen and filter. good luck and let us know what you find Tom t   ----- Original Message ----- From: Linda Classon To: 2cylinderhondas@ yahoogroups. com Cc: Anzhonda600owners Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 4:04 PM Subject: [anzhonda600owners] Fuel Pump?
 
I've got a 1971 sedan that seems to need a fuel pump (It's got a new
rebuilt carb, the gas lines are good, the tank has been relined, yet
it doesn't get enough gas at higher speeds).

Does anyone have one available and if so, how much would it be?

Thanks!

Linda

[billmyong]

A while back J.C. Whitney had a door weather strip that had a diamond shape to it and looked very good on either Sedan or Coupe.  Then their supplier changed the way it was being made and some owners found it thick and hard to close the door.   CR Laurence is a company that sells many items and one of them happens to be the diamond type weather seal and it is good quality and cost about $50.00 for a 25 ft. roll.  That is enough to do two doors if you use the 1 in, by 1/2 in flat sponge weather strip on the bottom edge where the plastic bolster is fixed and Honda only had it on one side. (available at most Homedepot stores for about $6.00 for 10 ft roll.)  see the URL below.

http://www.crlaurence.com/crlapps/showline/offerpage.aspx?Productid=32728&GroupID=21002&History=3058719782:20936&ModelID=21002      I have made the door weather strip for many years (both Sedan and Coupe) but it is costly and I advise owners to go the push on door weather strips route (above) unless your restoration is going to be a #1 show car.   I have used it on several cars and all of them looked really well.  One set has been in place for over 10 years.     If you want pictures just ask.   Bill      

[Tran Nguyen]

I have JC seals and I really have to slam the door to get it close. thanks for the link Bill.
 


To: anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
From: billmyong@...
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 06:52:42 -0700
Subject: [anzhonda600owners] Door Weather strips

 




A while back J.C. Whitney had a door weather strip that had a diamond shape to it and looked very good on either Sedan or Coupe.  Then their supplier changed the way it was being made and some owners found it thick and hard to close the door.
 
CR Laurence is a company that sells many items and one of them happens to be the diamond type weather seal and it is good quality and cost about $50.00 for a 25 ft. roll.  That is enough to do two doors if you use the 1 in, by 1/2 in flat sponge weather strip on the bottom edge where the plastic bolster is fixed and Honda only had it on one side. (available at most Homedepot stores for about $6.00 for 10 ft roll.)  see the URL below.

http://www.crlauren ce.com/crlapps/ showline/ offerpage. aspx?Productid= 32728&GroupID=21002&History=30587: 19748 20936&ModelID=21002 
 
 
I have made the door weather strip for many years (both Sedan and Coupe) but it is costly and I advise owners to go the push on door weather strips route (above) unless your restoration is going to be a #1 show car.   I have used it on several cars and all of them looked really well.  One set has been in place for over 10 years.  
 
If you want pictures just ask.
 
Bill
 
   

[Bob Bondiett]

Linda, I had the same problem some years ago and it turned out to be  fuel lines plugged with rust inside the tank and half the way to the front! Had to cut some out to get them to clear. Ennded up putting a fuel pump just at the tank outlet under the car for better pick up. Good luck.

From: blake neilson
To: anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, August 6, 2010 7:29:42 PM
Subject: Re: [anzhonda600owners] Fuel Pump?

 
Back when I was driving mine on a daily basis (in the 70's) I put about 1/2 a can of chemtool in with about 3/4 of a full tank and greatly improved the volume of the pump.  It had gotten gummed up with varnish.  Give that a try before buying a new pump.  It's easy to do and cheap to try.  Chemtool is available in a spray but also in a pourable can in most shops.  It will cost you less than $5 to see if it will help. Let us know if this helps.

Blake

--- On Fri, 8/6/10, TOM THIES wrote:

From: TOM THIES
Subject: Re: [anzhonda600owners] Fuel Pump?
To: anzhonda600owners@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, August 6, 2010, 7:13 PM

 
Linda I know there is a way to check the fuel pump by seeing how much gas goes into a jar in so many seconds.  I am sure some one will be able to tell you.   I am sure you check the fuel filter and the screen in side the carb.  but it might also be something in the carb that is not letting in enough gas.   I would start with checking the pump if you have checked with the screen and filter. good luck and let us know what you find Tom t   ----- Original Message ----- From: Linda Classon To: 2cylinderhondas@ yahoogroups. com Cc: Anzhonda600owners Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 4:04 PM Subject: [anzhonda600owners] Fuel Pump?
 
I've got a 1971 sedan that seems to need a fuel pump (It's got a new
rebuilt carb, the gas lines are good, the tank has been relined, yet
it doesn't get enough gas at higher speeds).

Does anyone have one available and if so, how much would it be?

Thanks!

Linda

[lyletrudell]

My tank pickup tube was so plugged and rusted I had to cut it out and make a new one, then I had the tank coated. I will be replacing the fuel lines also.

What after market pump should we use?
What pressure should it put out?
I want to put it back in the stock location under the back seat.

I used the Carter P60504 on my Opel-GT, but it looks too long for the Honda.
http://www.summitracing.com/search/?keyword=carter%20p60504&dds=1

The Carter P4070 looks like it might fit.
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/CRT-P4070/
?
Lyle

--- In anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com, Bob Bondiett wrote:
>
> Linda, I had the same problem some years ago and it turned out to be fuel lines
> plugged with rust inside the tank and half the way to the front! Had to cut some
> out to get them to clear. Ennded up putting a fuel pump just at the tank outlet
> under the car for better pick up. Good luck.
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: blake neilson
> To: anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Fri, August 6, 2010 7:29:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [anzhonda600owners] Fuel Pump?
>
>
> Back when I was driving mine on a daily basis (in the 70's) I put about 1/2 a
> can of chemtool in with about 3/4 of a full tank and greatly improved the volume
> of the pump. It had gotten gummed up with varnish. Give that a try before
> buying a new pump. It's easy to do and cheap to try. Chemtool is available in
> a spray but also in a pourable can in most shops. It will cost you less than $5
> to see if it will help. Let us know if this helps.
>
> Blake
>
> --- On Fri, 8/6/10, TOM THIES wrote:
>
>
> >From: TOM THIES
> >Subject: Re: [anzhonda600owners] Fuel Pump?
> >To: anzhonda600owners@ yahoogroups. com
> >Date: Friday, August 6, 2010, 7:13 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >Linda I know there is a way to check the fuel pump by seeing how much gas goes
> >into a jar in so many seconds. I am sure some one will be able to tell you. I
> >am sure you check the fuel filter and the screen in side the carb. but it might
> >also be something in the carb that is not letting in enough gas. I would start
> >with checking the pump if you have checked with the screen and filter.
> >good luck and let us know what you find
> >Tom t
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >>From: Linda Classon
> >>To: 2cylinderhondas@ yahoogroups. com
> >>Cc: Anzhonda600owners
> >>Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 4:04 PM
> >>Subject: [anzhonda600owners] Fuel Pump?
> >>
> >>
> >>I've got a 1971 sedan that seems to need a fuel pump (It's got a new
> >>rebuilt carb, the gas lines are good, the tank has been relined, yet
> >>it doesn't get enough gas at higher speeds).
> >>
> >>Does anyone have one available and if so, how much would it be?
> >>
> >>Thanks!
> >>
> >>Linda
> >>
> >>
>

[John Brown]

Hi,

I used a _80's Honda V45-V65 Magna motorcycle fuel pump_ on my '70 sedan
until upgrading to a German Pierburg in-line pump. The Honda pump has
the same mounts as our cars so it will fit in the stock location, but
the inlet and outlets are slightly different (side-by-side) instead of
being staggered, this requires the hose routing to be altered slightly.
The power wire also requires a bullet connector to be installed.

Fuel pressure requirements for our cars are between 1.5-3.5 PSI to
prevent flooding past the carburetor inlet valve, pump volume should
generally be (80-100l/min).

I modified my fuel system by installing a _Pierburg model E1F_ in-line
pump and filter next to my fuel tank, I also replaced my fuel lines with
aviation spec.hose and fire braiding. I makes periodic maintenance much
easier and the fuel pump isn't subjected to exhaust heating.

Hope this helps,

John
(410) 236-2435

lyletrudell wrote:

>
> My tank pickup tube was so plugged and rusted I had to cut it out and
> make a new one, then I had the tank coated. I will be replacing the
> fuel lines also.
>
> What after market pump should we use?
> What pressure should it put out?
> I want to put it back in the stock location under the back seat.
>
> I used the Carter P60504 on my Opel-GT, but it looks too long for the
> Honda.
> http://www.summitracing.com/search/?keyword=carter%20p60504&dds=1
>
>
> The Carter P4070 looks like it might fit.
> http://www.summitracing.com/parts/CRT-P4070/
> ?
> Lyle
>
> --- In anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
> , Bob Bondiett
> wrote:
> >
> > Linda, I had the same problem some years ago and it turned out to
> be fuel lines
> > plugged with rust inside the tank and half the way to the front!
> Had to cut some
> > out to get them to clear. Ennded up putting a fuel pump just at the
> tank outlet
> > under the car for better pick up. Good luck.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: blake neilson
> > To: anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
>
> > Sent: Fri, August 6, 2010 7:29:42 PM
> > Subject: Re: [anzhonda600owners] Fuel Pump?
> >
> >
> > Back when I was driving mine on a daily basis (in the 70's) I put
> about 1/2 a
> > can of chemtool in with about 3/4 of a full tank and greatly
> improved the volume
> > of the pump. It had gotten gummed up with varnish. Give that a try
> before
> > buying a new pump. It's easy to do and cheap to try. Chemtool is
> available in
> > a spray but also in a pourable can in most shops. It will cost you
> less than $5
> > to see if it will help. Let us know if this helps.
> >
> > Blake
> >
> > --- On Fri, 8/6/10, TOM THIES wrote:
> >
> >
> > >From: TOM THIES
> > >Subject: Re: [anzhonda600owners] Fuel Pump?
> > >To: anzhonda600owners@ yahoogroups. com
> > >Date: Friday, August 6, 2010, 7:13 PM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Linda I know there is a way to check the fuel pump by seeing how
> much gas goes
> > >into a jar in so many seconds. I am sure some one will be able to
> tell you. I
> > >am sure you check the fuel filter and the screen in side the carb.
> but it might
> > >also be something in the carb that is not letting in enough gas.
> I would start
> > >with checking the pump if you have checked with the screen and filter.
> > >good luck and let us know what you find
> > >Tom t
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >>From: Linda Classon
> > >>To: 2cylinderhondas@ yahoogroups. com
> > >>Cc: Anzhonda600owners
> > >>Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 4:04 PM
> > >>Subject: [anzhonda600owners] Fuel Pump?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>I've got a 1971 sedan that seems to need a fuel pump (It's got a new
> > >>rebuilt carb, the gas lines are good, the tank has been relined, yet
> > >>it doesn't get enough gas at higher speeds).
> > >>
> > >>Does anyone have one available and if so, how much would it be?
> > >>
> > >>Thanks!
> > >>
> > >>Linda
> > >>
> > >>
> >
>
>