> On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 5:48 PM, Scott Walters scott@... [2cylinderhondas] > wrote:
> It is a bit dangerous to encourage any other policy than "buyer beware".
> Vouching for someone's character isn't the same thing as warranting that
> nothing will ever go wrong with falliable machines and subjective
> expectations.
> I had a Ray Cave crankshaft escape its packaging, too, but I didn't bring it
> up. Machine shop declared it straight and everything I've gotten from him
> on eBay has been in spec. IMO, Ray wanting you to bring it up with the
> shipping company is a natural reaction of a seller who heard something's
> packaging was damaged in transit even though the shipping company may look
> at it and declare it inadequately packaged according to their guidelines
> (and shipping companies are famous for breaking things and not paying).
> Obviously character assassinations serve no useful purpose, but, likewise,
> being too quick to defend someone doesn't serve justice either. Sometimes
> good people need a little improvement (wooden crates for those crankshafts).
> Often when transactions go bad, there are things both parties could have done
> better. Good character (and humor!) helps create good transactions but by no
> means gaurantees it.
> -scott
> On 0, "art Remai artremai@... [2cylinderhondas]" wrote:
> > Miles, just because he is your "friend", doesn't mean he is a "good"
> > person to others. I had a falling out with Ray Cave a few years back and
> > he did not package parts for me correctly "crankshaft" and "Pistons" to be
> > exact. You sided with him and both of you came to some conclusion to block
> > me from eBay because of your friendship? I don't really know you, as you
> > not knowing me. I know you moderate these forums and you can block me, but
> > I just want everyone to know that every friend is not "trustworthy" to
> > others.
> > As for the Ray Cave issue, he sold me those parts, they fell out of the
> > box in transit, someone tossed other items in the box and delivered it to
> > me. I went back and forth with him and he told me I had to deal with the
> > issue at the post office. I filed a claim against him for my money back,
> > and all of a sudden you blocked me also.
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > On Aug 7, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Stephen Garth Sorensen
> > [1]sharonnjoy@... [2cylinderhondas]
> > wrote:
> > Chas. Thank you for your comments. In your remarks you are inferring a
> > number of things that I did not imply. Please take my remarks at face
> > value and do not 'read into' them. This f**rum may be the only manner
> > in which I can communicate with Tim Mings although indirectly, so I want
> > to be clear that I am happy for him that he had an opportunity to come
> > out of retirement. Just curious, has anyone else on this list ever been
> > told by Tim Mings that he is retired? I would still like to count Tim
> > Mings as a friend not just a provider of service. That is the bottom
> > line here. I have discussed this matter in some detail on the phone with
> > 'Bill' M. Young, just so you know. Out of respect for Bill and for Tim,
> > there is no need for me to say more.
> > Wishing you all well.
> > Garth
> > ----------------------------------------------------------
> > From: "Charles Gould [3]chasgould@... [2cylinderhondas]"
> >
> > To: [5]
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Monday, August 7, 2017 2:16 PM
> > Subject: Re: [2cylinderhondas] Watch out
> > I, too, like to hear all information about parts and service suppliers,
> > and the forum is a great place for each party to voice their opinions
> > and defenses if necessary, and the reader has to read between the lines
> > to determine whether it is a valid criticism or just sour grapes from
> > someone who was not happy with the events that transpired.
> > If Tim discouraged an owner from restoring a very nice car, only to
> > acquire it himself as a ***commission*** for placing a lesser car with
> > that owner, that would be unfortunate, and would certainly not reflect
> > well on his business. If however, the story is different than what was
> > reported, then the fault may lie with the customer. Unless both sides
> > are heard from, it is hard to source the truth of what happened.
> > As far as Garth***s comments, Tim certainly is entitled to ***retire***
> > from the restoration business, and he is not obligated to explain or
> > justify that to you or anyone else. He is also entirely entitled to take
> > or decline work as he sees fit, whether or not he is retired. Perhaps he
> > did not wish to continue working on other people***s cars when you
> > inquired, and perhaps he later changed his mind. He is under no
> > obligation to inform you of that mind change or to accept your work
> > before another project that he prefers to work on.
> > Perhaps your job was not lucrative enough, or interesting enough, or any
> > other reason that is totally within Tim***s rigths and preferences. I
> > would certainly understand any craftsman who decided to stop working on
> > other people***s restorations. It is an exhausting and thankless job
> > most of the time, and people constantly find fault or problems and
> > seldom acknowledge when you have done a fantastic job. I can also
> > certainly understand that the lure and intrigue, and financial benefits
> > of restoring Honda Number One for the Honda Corporation would be
> > extremely persuasive in pulling Tim or anyone else out of retirement!
> > In short, he has no obligation to clear these decisions with you, or to
> > put your restoration at the front of the list when and if he decides to
> > re-enter the restoration business. Any businessman is entitled to accept
> > or decline projects as they see fit. That is why so many shops would
> > prefer to hang new plastic fenders on Toyota Prius than to embark on a
> > total restoration of a rusty old relic like the stuff that we collect.
> > Just my two cents worth.
> > Chas
> > On Aug 7, 2017, at 2:47 PM, Stephen Garth Sorensen
> > [6]sharonnjoy@... [2cylinderhondas]
> > wrote:
> > [[8]Attachment(s) from Stephen Garth Sorensen included below]
> > Actually these types of posts are helpful to me. I have had dealings
> > with Tim Mings over many years and though he is an excellent Honda 600
> > mechanic and has done great work on my car, I felt he was not entirely
> > up front with me personally. The last time I saw him face to face, he
> > told me he is now retired from working on Honda 600's and subsequently
> > he refused to answer phone calls or emails from me. I was simply
> > requesting if he could recommend someone else. Then a few years later,
> > I am Reading this glowing article about the Honda 600 NUMBER 1 that he
> > is doing a complete restore, set to debut at a Long Beach auto show,
> > then to be housed at the Honda headquarters back east. Somehow the
> > figure $40,000 plus dollars sticks in my head but I am not sure.
> > Congratulations Tim for coming out of retirement. I had given him a
> > custom engine stand that I had designed as a good will gesture. Who
> > knows? Perhaps that engine stand was the one that was stolen? I do not
> > wish him ill, or anyone else for that matter, but it seems that his
> > manner of dealing with people in general could use some improvement.
> > Peace to you all.
> > Garth
> > ----------------------------------------------------------
> > From: "Jefrey [9]mrbucket213@... [2cylinderhondas]"
> >
> > To: [11]
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Monday, August 7, 2017 1:29 AM
> > Subject: Re: [2cylinderhondas] Re: Watch out [6 Attachments]
> > [[12]Attachment(s) from Jefrey included below]
> > I have purchased a few things from Mr. Tim but one day back in 2011 I
> > towed one of my two honda. An-600's that I wanted to get fully
> > restored to his shop for him to rewire it (btw my car did not have the
> > front support at that time because it was still been restored ) and he
> > came out of his place and saw my car and went back inside his shop and
> > came back with a camera and asked me to stand next to my car and he
> > started to take pictures of me, my brother and my car and after he
> > finished taking pictures he told me to leave and never come back and I
> > was asking him why was he acting like that and he totally ignored me
> > so we left from there.
> > 2 weeks later I received a call from a detective asking me several
> > questions in regards to my personal info such as work,adress,and where
> > I keep my cars.
> > Long story short, talking to a couple people I find out that he had
> > been robbed and some of his important equipment was gone including an
> > engine stand and he most likely thought that it was me who did it
> > because my car did not have the front head lights support.
> > I still have both cars, but the one I took to him to be rewired is
> > still in my garage just sleeping.
> > I just feel that it was really immature of him to accused me and treat
> > me the way he did with out any proof.
> > WOn Aug 6, 2017, at 8:46 PM, TOM
> > THIES [13]tdthies1@... [2cylinderhondas]
> > wrote:
> > I have never meet Tim but I have been apart of this group for a
> > while now and NEVER have heard a bad word about him so I would have
> > to take what you say with a grain of salt. This guy is very well
> > known and liked in the Honda world.
> > Sent from my iPad
> > On Aug 6, 2017, at 7:42 PM, 'Miles
> > Chappell' [15]z600miles@... [2cylinderhondas]
> > wrote:
> > Ray et al,
> > Tim is not in this group, he had to get the back stabbing comments
> > second hand.
> > I have known Tim for 25 years, he has been to my house and I have
> > been to his
> > and his fathers. He used to buy my rebuilt masters and when I
> > needed starter
> > cores he sent me 6 at no charge, he gave me a bunch of NOS brake
> > master cylinder
> > parts for free once as he knew I could use them. It's a 3 way
> > street, not everyone
> > is going to like everyone in the world of Honda.
> > Miles
> > References
> > Visible links
> > 1. mailto:sharonnjoy@...
> > 2. mailto:
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> > 3. mailto:chasgould@...
> > 4. mailto:
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> > 5. mailto:
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> > 6. mailto:sharonnjoy@...
> > 7. mailto:
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> > 8. file:///tmp/
> > 9. mailto:mrbucket213@...
> > 10. mailto:
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> > 11. mailto:
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> > 12.
https://mg.mail.yahoo.com/neo/launch?.p ... sc#TopText
> > 13. mailto:tdthies1@...
> > 14. mailto:
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> > 15. mailto:z600miles@...
> > 16. mailto:
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> > 17.
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/2cy ... eNum=16079
> > 18. mailto:artremai@...?subject=Re%3A%20%5B2cylinderhondas%5D%20Watch%20out
> > 19. mailto:
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20%5B2cylinderhondas%5D%20Watch%20out
> > 20.
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> > 21.
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> > 22.
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> > 31.
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> > 32.
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> > 33. mailto:
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> > 34.
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